I originally had a small reply, which grew and grew. I've repurposed it.


Things are starting to happen fast.

EvilDan wrote:The Tea Party has always appeared to me to be kind of the libertarian wing of the republican party. Also, keep in mind that most, if not all, of the racist, and other out-of-place, signs at Tea Party events were not only unwelcome, they were found to be held by registered Democrats.
I originally had a small reply, which grew and grew. I've repurposed it.So, thank you guys for making me VERY productive in my writing today.
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Things are starting to happen fast.I hope I can keep up. Otherwise, I'll lose my window. Again.
sageoftruth wrote:Hey, Blumkin? Sorry about this, but what you said about looking out for the individual rather than society went completely over my head. In my line of thinking, society is made up of individuals. Could you clarify?
sageoftruth wrote:Just letting you know, I recently downloaded Atlus Shrugged. According to the links you sent, it sounds like a good understanding of Objectivism will help me understand your perspective. Would that be correct?
sageoftruth wrote:Just heard back from my father. I guess I wasn't specific enough about what I was asking him, but he made some interesting points nonetheless. First of all, he's definitely pro-capitalist, but also acknowledges that it's weakness is when monopolies form, and that the government is very good at preventing monopolies from forming. That is a very small role for the government, but the main subject we've been discussing was Dan's question, "What justifies passing a law that takes away one's personal freedoms." Then again, do any of you know what the government does to prevent monopolies? I assume it involves forbidding companies to do whatever helps them gain a monopoly on a certain product or service, and I imagine that that would count as restricting a personal freedom. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Blumpkin wrote:sageoftruth wrote:Just heard back from my father. I guess I wasn't specific enough about what I was asking him, but he made some interesting points nonetheless. First of all, he's definitely pro-capitalist, but also acknowledges that it's weakness is when monopolies form, and that the government is very good at preventing monopolies from forming. That is a very small role for the government, but the main subject we've been discussing was Dan's question, "What justifies passing a law that takes away one's personal freedoms." Then again, do any of you know what the government does to prevent monopolies? I assume it involves forbidding companies to do whatever helps them gain a monopoly on a certain product or service, and I imagine that that would count as restricting a personal freedom. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Funny thing about monopolies: people have them completely backwards. Generally speaking, monopolies form WITH government, not without it. Look up the difference between coercive monopolies and natural monopolies. (Hopefully I have those terms correct.) If your local grocery store provided you with the widest selection of groceries at the best price, service and location to the extent that none of the other grocery stores could compete with them and subsequently had to shut down, would you object and ask the government to do something about it? It's just another instance of the government causing a problem and then convincing the people it's the solution.
I do think it's a personal freedom to run your business how you choose, such as charging what you want for your products or services. Antitrust laws infringe on this, and what's more they're completely unnecessary since there's really no "problem" (monopolies) to "solve".
Yes, antitrust laws are just one thing the government does, and it's not a major function, but it is unnecessary, and it does cause headaches for some businesses, and add to business costs, none of which actually benefit the consumer.
I tried to give you a better understanding of what "personal freedoms" might include. They're just things you do which don't infringe on things others do basically. Try doing a search on the subject if you're still not sure what we're talking about here. Here's a personal freedom which the government spends TONS of money and time trying to restrict: the right to put in your body what you choose. One way they do this is through the drug laws. Hope that example helps.
sageoftruth wrote:I've been running the idea by a bunch of people I know. So far, a common response I've heard was that "personal freedoms" are kind of hard to define, mainly because it's not always easy to determine when your decisions will affect others. A friend brought up the drunk driving law. It's restrictive to outlaw driving while under the influence. Would that freedom not count, since your drunk driving could potentially affect another person?
Stained Class wrote:Wasn't sure where else to put this.
https://www.allout.org/en/actions/russia-attacks
What the fucking fuck Russia???
EvilDan wrote:If people were intellectually honest, and they were afraid of Bush, they should be absolutely fucking paralyzed with fear by our current potus.
Stained Class wrote:Wasn't sure where else to put this.
https://www.allout.org/en/actions/russia-attacks
What the fucking fuck Russia???
Blumpkin wrote:Stained Class wrote:Wasn't sure where else to put this.
https://www.allout.org/en/actions/russia-attacks
What the fucking fuck Russia???
Oddly enough, this relates to my comment about the importance of individual rights. People should be looked at as people, not members of a class or collective. They are individuals with the same individual rights. Governments should not decide rights based on what sort of class or collective people belong to.
EvilDan wrote:If people were intellectually honest, and they were afraid of Bush, they should be absolutely fucking paralyzed with fear by our current potus.
Stained Class wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cmWlLcVQFc
What does everyone think of the Bilderberg group?
sageoftruth wrote:Stained Class wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cmWlLcVQFc
What does everyone think of the Bilderberg group?
They're just a cover to keep us distracted while the lizard people take over.
Stained Class wrote:sageoftruth wrote:Stained Class wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cmWlLcVQFc
What does everyone think of the Bilderberg group?
They're just a cover to keep us distracted while the lizard people take over.
Dammit. I don't like lizard people! They're all scaly and lizardy!
sageoftruth wrote:I did some searching. It's apparently called the "Reptilian Conspiracy". Look that up and you should get better results.
Here are some links to stuff I found.
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message702357/pg1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKU5Un1qULU
sageoftruth wrote:EvilDan wrote:If people were intellectually honest, and they were afraid of Bush, they should be absolutely fucking paralyzed with fear by our current potus.
No can do I'm afraid. I was a doomsayer of president Bush back in college and have been deeply ashamed of it ever since. Now it's just a memory of my childhood I wish I could forget.
Furthermore, people have been trying to peg Obama for an evil tyrant long before he actually did stuff to make one feel suspicious, leaving a very bad taste for conspiracy theories in my mouth. I've been trying to read up on evidence that he could have evil plans for our country, but at this point I can't even consider it without feeling like a complete idiot. Looks like I'll have to sit out on this little revolution.
sageoftruth wrote:EvilDan wrote:If people were intellectually honest, and they were afraid of Bush, they should be absolutely fucking paralyzed with fear by our current potus.
No can do I'm afraid. I was a doomsayer of president Bush back in college and have been deeply ashamed of it ever since. Now it's just a memory of my childhood I wish I could forget.
Furthermore, people have been trying to peg Obama for an evil tyrant long before he actually did stuff to make one feel suspicious, leaving a very bad taste for conspiracy theories in my mouth. I've been trying to read up on evidence that he could have evil plans for our country, but at this point I can't even consider it without feeling like a complete idiot. Looks like I'll have to sit out on this little revolution.
EvilDan wrote:sageoftruth wrote:EvilDan wrote:If people were intellectually honest, and they were afraid of Bush, they should be absolutely fucking paralyzed with fear by our current potus.
No can do I'm afraid. I was a doomsayer of president Bush back in college and have been deeply ashamed of it ever since. Now it's just a memory of my childhood I wish I could forget.
Furthermore, people have been trying to peg Obama for an evil tyrant long before he actually did stuff to make one feel suspicious, leaving a very bad taste for conspiracy theories in my mouth. I've been trying to read up on evidence that he could have evil plans for our country, but at this point I can't even consider it without feeling like a complete idiot. Looks like I'll have to sit out on this little revolution.
I'm not interested in conspiracy theories. I look at information, actions and patterns.
By all means, ignore what's going on, don't look into anything, and remain ignorant. Your feelings and taste are far more important than facts. What's the worst that could happen?
sageoftruth wrote:No can do I'm afraid. I was a doomsayer of president Bush back in college and have been deeply ashamed of it ever since. Now it's just a memory of my childhood I wish I could forget.
Furthermore, people have been trying to peg Obama for an evil tyrant long before he actually did stuff to make one feel suspicious, leaving a very bad taste for conspiracy theories in my mouth. I've been trying to read up on evidence that he could have evil plans for our country, but at this point I can't even consider it without feeling like a complete idiot. Looks like I'll have to sit out on this little revolution.
sageoftruth wrote:Right now, there's only one thing I know, which is that I don't know any better. Maybe I cannot explain why Obama is doing what he's doing, but that doesn't mean there isn't an answer, and I clearly haven't been following it nearly enough to make a decision on it myself. In this discussion, I've been able to acquire an interest in learning more about libertarianism, but aside from that, I've just been bombarded with statement after statement of things I could neither confirm nor disprove with my current knowledge of the situation. For instance, how am I to know whether or not the claims of recovery are propaganda? I haven't even been watching the news for the last month or so. If my boss gets a chance, I'll bring him to the table, but I don't think I have any more to contribute at this point.
Blumpkin wrote:sageoftruth wrote:Right now, there's only one thing I know, which is that I don't know any better. Maybe I cannot explain why Obama is doing what he's doing, but that doesn't mean there isn't an answer, and I clearly haven't been following it nearly enough to make a decision on it myself. In this discussion, I've been able to acquire an interest in learning more about libertarianism, but aside from that, I've just been bombarded with statement after statement of things I could neither confirm nor disprove with my current knowledge of the situation. For instance, how am I to know whether or not the claims of recovery are propaganda? I haven't even been watching the news for the last month or so. If my boss gets a chance, I'll bring him to the table, but I don't think I have any more to contribute at this point.
That's reasonable. I've been following this stuff for a while, so I have a little collection of knowledge on it, such as the jobs thing, where the government is not distinguishing between part- and full-time jobs, giving the appearance that jobs are increasing, when in fact the number of full-time jobs are on the decline. Some of the stuff is less complicated, such as the NSA stuff, where they're trying to lock up and charge the whistle blower, just like with the Wikileaks whistle blower, which is of course is ironic since the NSA is the one committing the crime. That stuff is pretty out in the open and straightforward, if you know what I mean, but I understand your position.
Blumpkin wrote:sageoftruth wrote:Right now, there's only one thing I know, which is that I don't know any better. Maybe I cannot explain why Obama is doing what he's doing, but that doesn't mean there isn't an answer, and I clearly haven't been following it nearly enough to make a decision on it myself. In this discussion, I've been able to acquire an interest in learning more about libertarianism, but aside from that, I've just been bombarded with statement after statement of things I could neither confirm nor disprove with my current knowledge of the situation. For instance, how am I to know whether or not the claims of recovery are propaganda? I haven't even been watching the news for the last month or so. If my boss gets a chance, I'll bring him to the table, but I don't think I have any more to contribute at this point.
Some of the stuff is less complicated, such as the NSA stuff, where they're trying to lock up and charge the whistle blower, just like with the Wikileaks whistle blower, which is of course is ironic since the NSA is the one committing the crime.
sageoftruth wrote:Thanks, Blumpkin. I'm sorry about this. I feel kind of bad, since I've been the only one lately to bounce ideas against you on this thread, but you seem to understand. I'm still planning to look into it while I'm offline. I'm actually planning to ask my parents a few questions this Sunday as well, since they follow these things more than I do, but for now, it seems like all I can to for this thread is try to funnel other people's ideas onto it. I guess I'll see you on the Justice thread. Take care.
X-Thor wrote:Not to justify it (obviously), but as far as I know, what the NSA is doing is perfectly legal (they got a court order and everything, I think). Which is really scary.
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