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    Re: Now Kamelot cancelled

    by last_candle » Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:57 am

    Captain Alex wrote:
    last_candle wrote:oh! just realized that this is indeed true! :shock:

    Why? .. do you`ve some new info we don`t yet?

    just that Kamelot cancelled - because it's on their homepage
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    Re: Now Kamelot cancelled

    by Tobbe » Sun Nov 10, 2013 3:18 am

    Check this page out to see what Thomas Youngblood says about the cruise and Kamelot's cancellation.

    http://www.metalcovenant.com/pages/index.htm
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    Re: Now Kamelot cancelled

    by bodomdragon » Sun Nov 10, 2013 3:23 am

    What really pisses me off is that UMC is not even treating the bands properly. I wonder if it is possible to end up with a good lineup by acting like this.
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    Re: Now Kamelot cancelled

    by cowboy71 » Sun Nov 10, 2013 3:35 am

    Tobbe wrote:Check this page out to see what Thomas Youngblood says about the cruise and Kamelot's cancellation.

    http://www.metalcovenant.com/pages/index.htm

    WOW. Interesting :) Thanks for sharing!!
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    Re: Now Kamelot cancelled

    by jodionline » Sun Nov 10, 2013 5:07 am

    If that's true, what no one can check who wasn't involved, that's not made to grow the trust in UMC.
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    Re: Now Kamelot cancelled

    by DJ Old Man Stares » Sun Nov 10, 2013 7:52 am

    cowboy71 wrote:
    Tobbe wrote:Check this page out to see what Thomas Youngblood says about the cruise and Kamelot's cancellation.

    http://www.metalcovenant.com/pages/index.htm

    WOW. Interesting :) Thanks for sharing!!


    Dallas, you should've made this its own topic so that UMC actually sees this. This should be a huge wake up call. Why would anyone want this kind of pulicity? How come UMC cannot admit that they have done nothing wrong? Is a public apology really that hard?
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    Re: Now Kamelot cancelled

    by X-Thor » Sun Nov 10, 2013 7:49 pm

    bodomdragon wrote:What really pisses me off is that UMC is not even treating the bands properly. I wonder if it is possible to end up with a good lineup by acting like this.


    Judging by past cruises, it totally is.
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    Re: Now Kamelot cancelled

    by bodomdragon » Mon Nov 11, 2013 12:58 am

    X-Thor wrote:
    bodomdragon wrote:What really pisses me off is that UMC is not even treating the bands properly. I wonder if it is possible to end up with a good lineup by acting like this.


    Judging by past cruises, it totally is.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, which I might, but for what I've been reading, in previous years there were more people than Andy organising the whole thing. In case Andy was an incompetent - which I'm not saying he is, this is just a supposition - there were a bunch of guys who would cover for him and do a good job, which they obviously did. Now they left and everything seems to be in Andy's hands, which in turn doesn't look like a very good idea considerong how things have gone so far for 70k2014. So I don't think you can compare the current situation to other years. Just the same way as you never had six months of complete silence before in terms of announcements.
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    Re: Now Kamelot cancelled

    by Stained Class » Mon Nov 11, 2013 1:43 am

    bodomdragon wrote:
    X-Thor wrote:
    bodomdragon wrote:What really pisses me off is that UMC is not even treating the bands properly. I wonder if it is possible to end up with a good lineup by acting like this.


    Judging by past cruises, it totally is.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, which I might, but for what I've been reading, in previous years there were more people than Andy organising the whole thing. In case Andy was an incompetent - which I'm not saying he is, this is just a supposition - there were a bunch of guys who would cover for him and do a good job, which they obviously did. Now they left and everything seems to be in Andy's hands, which in turn doesn't look like a very good idea considerong how things have gone so far for 70k2014. So I don't think you can compare the current situation to other years. Just the same way as you never had six months of complete silence before in terms of announcements.

    Yeah that's not really what happened. Andy has always been the one and only booking agent.
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    Re: Now Kamelot cancelled

    by NuuX » Mon Nov 11, 2013 1:49 am

    I'd take that interview with a grain of salt, since each story has two sides. I bet if you asked Andy, he'd tell a totally different thing and the truth would have been somewhere in the middle. I know everyone is pissed at Andy for the lack of communication but that has been the same since the first cruise and he always managed to deliver. For Kamelot being announced for this cruise, there must have been some sort of agreement and if you ask me, later on, one of the parties involved changed their "demands". If it was Kamelot or Andy, I can't say. But looking at facts, I'd say Kamelot are the bad guys here since it makes no sense to "not answer their calls and / or e-mails for months" and on the other hand you have Overkill saying everything is set and they have paid for ages ago.
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    by MLH » Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:28 am

    NuuX wrote:I'd take that interview with a grain of salt, since each story has two sides. I bet if you asked Andy, he'd tell a totally different thing and the truth would have been somewhere in the middle. I know everyone is pissed at Andy for the lack of communication but that has been the same since the first cruise and he always managed to deliver. For Kamelot being announced for this cruise, there must have been some sort of agreement and if you ask me, later on, one of the parties involved changed their "demands". If it was Kamelot or Andy, I can't say. But looking at facts, I'd say Kamelot are the bad guys here since it makes no sense to "not answer their calls and / or e-mails for months" and on the other hand you have Overkill saying everything is set and they have paid for ages ago.


    Doubt with the shit UMC is pulling off. And if you toss in contract there is no changed "demands". When other side isn't bothering with their side you know there is nothing new to the story. Especially when this ain't the 1st time similar stuff has been out there.
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    by X-Thor » Mon Nov 11, 2013 8:42 am

    bodomdragon wrote:
    X-Thor wrote:
    bodomdragon wrote:What really pisses me off is that UMC is not even treating the bands properly. I wonder if it is possible to end up with a good lineup by acting like this.


    Judging by past cruises, it totally is.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, which I might, but for what I've been reading, in previous years there were more people than Andy organising the whole thing. In case Andy was an incompetent - which I'm not saying he is, this is just a supposition - there were a bunch of guys who would cover for him and do a good job, which they obviously did. Now they left and everything seems to be in Andy's hands, which in turn doesn't look like a very good idea considerong how things have gone so far for 70k2014. So I don't think you can compare the current situation to other years. Just the same way as you never had six months of complete silence before in terms of announcements.


    Yeah, like Joey said, Andy's the one who does the bookings. Nobody but him knows exactly why announcements take so much time to come, but he's done four cruises and all of them have had awesome lineups and were great experiences for everyone. So I don't know how anyone can say Andy doesn't know what he's doing or is incompetent and/or unprofessional.

    If you book blindly, it's because you don't really care that much about the lineup. Last year a lot of people were also saying they would never book blindly again. Then comes Andy, announces some cool bands, gives discounts to veterans and we all go and book early. Look at the sales. He clearly knows what he's doing. Whether he can continue doing it or not remains to be seen.

    Also, it wasn't really six months of silence. We had all the destination voting about a month ago...
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    by bodomdragon » Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:19 am

    X-Thor wrote:Yeah, like Joey said, Andy's the one who does the bookings. Nobody but him knows exactly why announcements take so much time to come, but he's done four cruises and all of them have had awesome lineups and were great experiences for everyone. So I don't know how anyone can say Andy doesn't know what he's doing or is incompetent and/or unprofessional.

    If you book blindly, it's because you don't really care that much about the lineup. Last year a lot of people were also saying they would never book blindly again. Then comes Andy, announces some cool bands, gives discounts to veterans and we all go and book early. Look at the sales. He clearly knows what he's doing. Whether he can continue doing it or not remains to be seen.

    Also, it wasn't really six months of silence. We had all the destination voting about a month ago...

    I find your blind faith amazing. As I think it is totally pointless to argue among us, I will say no more :)
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    Re: Now Kamelot cancelled

    by X-Thor » Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:43 pm

    bodomdragon wrote:
    X-Thor wrote:Yeah, like Joey said, Andy's the one who does the bookings. Nobody but him knows exactly why announcements take so much time to come, but he's done four cruises and all of them have had awesome lineups and were great experiences for everyone. So I don't know how anyone can say Andy doesn't know what he's doing or is incompetent and/or unprofessional.

    If you book blindly, it's because you don't really care that much about the lineup. Last year a lot of people were also saying they would never book blindly again. Then comes Andy, announces some cool bands, gives discounts to veterans and we all go and book early. Look at the sales. He clearly knows what he's doing. Whether he can continue doing it or not remains to be seen.

    Also, it wasn't really six months of silence. We had all the destination voting about a month ago...

    I find your blind faith amazing. As I think it is totally pointless to argue among us, I will say no more :)


    If you book blindly without blind faith, you're gonna have a baaaad time. :P

    (Seriously, though, Andy has so far delivered on product. That's all that matters to me. 4 cruises with great lineups out of 4 cruises. I have no reason to believe this time will be any different. The lineup is already really cool.

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    Re: Now Kamelot cancelled

    by Azazel101 » Mon Nov 11, 2013 8:26 pm

    X-Thor wrote:
    bodomdragon wrote:
    X-Thor wrote:Yeah, like Joey said, Andy's the one who does the bookings. Nobody but him knows exactly why announcements take so much time to come, but he's done four cruises and all of them have had awesome lineups and were great experiences for everyone. So I don't know how anyone can say Andy doesn't know what he's doing or is incompetent and/or unprofessional.

    If you book blindly, it's because you don't really care that much about the lineup. Last year a lot of people were also saying they would never book blindly again. Then comes Andy, announces some cool bands, gives discounts to veterans and we all go and book early. Look at the sales. He clearly knows what he's doing. Whether he can continue doing it or not remains to be seen.

    Also, it wasn't really six months of silence. We had all the destination voting about a month ago...

    I find your blind faith amazing. As I think it is totally pointless to argue among us, I will say no more :)


    If you book blindly without blind faith, you're gonna have a baaaad time. :P

    (Seriously, though, Andy has so far delivered on product. That's all that matters to me. 4 cruises with great lineups out of 4 cruises. I have no reason to believe this time will be any different. The lineup is already really cool.

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    by DJ Old Man Stares » Mon Nov 11, 2013 8:47 pm

    ^^ YES! This bit of optimism is very necessary right now. I'm in this for the long haul, so my fingers are crossed for excellence. I would like to believe that he's waiting to pull an ace out of his sleeve. He's done it before, he can do it again.
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    by meshuggah » Mon Nov 11, 2013 8:51 pm

    DJ Old Man Stares wrote:^^ YES! This bit of optimism is very necessary right now. I'm in this for the long haul, so my fingers are crossed for excellence. I would like to believe that he's waiting to pull an ace out of his sleeve. He's done it before, he can do it again.


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    by Sgt. B » Mon Nov 11, 2013 11:07 pm

    meshuggah wrote:
    DJ Old Man Stares wrote:^^ YES! This bit of optimism is very necessary right now. I'm in this for the long haul, so my fingers are crossed for excellence. I would like to believe that he's waiting to pull an ace out of his sleeve. He's done it before, he can do it again.


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    Re: Now Kamelot cancelled

    by mgrock » Tue Nov 12, 2013 5:02 am

    Sgt. B wrote:
    meshuggah wrote:
    DJ Old Man Stares wrote:^^ YES! This bit of optimism is very necessary right now. I'm in this for the long haul, so my fingers are crossed for excellence. I would like to believe that he's waiting to pull an ace out of his sleeve. He's done it before, he can do it again.


    Hopefully an Ace Of Spades


    Or a King of Diamonds.


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    by jodionline » Tue Nov 12, 2013 6:42 am

    And in the end we have to ACCEPT the End of Green. :bangers:
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    wut3v4
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    Re: Now Kamelot cancelled

    by wut3v4 » Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:27 am

    To be honest, I wasn't all that excited about seeing Kamelot again since I've seen them 98,273,123,871,203 times! And after shows, I'd kind of get the cocky "rock star" vibes from some of the members. Maybe they were just tired and wanted to leave, I don't know. But here's to hoping the replacement is equally as good or even better!!

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