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Which band should win the 2017 CRIPPER AWARD?

Poll ended at Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:30 pm

CRYPTEX
3
1%
DALRIADA
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34%
STRIKER
26
9%
TOTAL DEATH
65
22%
TOUCH THE SUN
4
1%
WITCHTRAP
101
33%
TRAUMA
0
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Re: Cripper Award 2017 Official Thread

by deathmetalpat » Wed Mar 01, 2017 8:13 pm

With about 12 hours left to vote ,there are more votes than last year total for the poll.And with about twice as many Cripper bands last year ,that is surprising.With 11 bands to vote for it was easier to see a Cripper band last year and the poll would have gotten more votes.I saw Witchtrap play in the lounge,hope the votes are for The Ice Rink show because the one I saw was decent but not memorable.
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Re: Cripper Award 2017 Official Thread

by WitchtrapSucks35 » Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:33 pm

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Re: Cripper Award 2017 Official Thread

by Leyend » Thu Mar 02, 2017 6:35 am

:shred: I like Witchtrap
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Re: Cripper Award 2017 Official Thread

by Phoenix » Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:54 am

Uhhh, well this was very sudden. What happened?
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Re: Cripper Award 2017 Official Thread

by DarkrossFilth » Thu Mar 02, 2017 8:19 am

:death: Witchtrap is my Cripper winner for 2017!
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Re: Cripper Award 2017 Official Thread

by Sgt. B » Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:12 am

Phoenix wrote:Uhhh, well this was very sudden. What happened?


Someone created 35 users last night (Witchtrapsucks1-35) to vote for Dalraida. This one person through the poll off worse than before.

I say there should be no winner this year. Too many shenanigans by the top three vote getters.
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Re: Cripper Award 2017 Official Thread

by bodomdragon » Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:27 am

Fear not... now someone's creating users to vote for Witchtrap again! They've received like 10 votes over the last hour, and still counting. Seems like it won't stop until they pass Dalriada again.

Seriously, this is the stupidest thing ever. Please either give it to Dalriada (they were the winners before all this shit happened) or leave it void.

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Re: Cripper Award 2017 Official Thread

by Phoenix » Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:29 am

Sgt. B wrote:Someone created 35 users last night (Witchtrapsucks1-35) to vote for Dalraida. This one person through the poll off worse than before.

I say there should be no winner this year. Too many shenanigans by the top three vote getters.

Ah. Yup, I agree with that. Either that or we subtract 35 votes from Dalriada. Or give it to Striker.

Full disclosure, I voted for Dalriada, so I don't feel comfortable strongly saying "yeah let's give it to Dalriada because they're trying to be honest and have the most votes otherwise".
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Re: Cripper Award 2017 Official Thread

by bodomdragon » Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:35 am

Phoenix wrote:
Sgt. B wrote:Someone created 35 users last night (Witchtrapsucks1-35) to vote for Dalraida. This one person through the poll off worse than before.

I say there should be no winner this year. Too many shenanigans by the top three vote getters.

Ah. Yup, I agree with that. Either that or we subtract 35 votes from Dalriada. Or give it to Striker.

Full disclosure, I voted for Dalriada, so I don't feel comfortable strongly saying "yeah let's give it to Dalriada because they're trying to be honest and have the most votes otherwise".

I voted for Striker (I couldn't even watch a single set from Dalriada, shame on me), but it would not make any sense to remove 35 votes from Dalriada and leave Witchtrap untouched. I mean, that would be even more unfair.
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Re: Cripper Award 2017 Official Thread

by Sgt. B » Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:43 am

bodomdragon wrote:
Phoenix wrote:
Sgt. B wrote:Someone created 35 users last night (Witchtrapsucks1-35) to vote for Dalraida. This one person through the poll off worse than before.

I say there should be no winner this year. Too many shenanigans by the top three vote getters.

Ah. Yup, I agree with that. Either that or we subtract 35 votes from Dalriada. Or give it to Striker.

Full disclosure, I voted for Dalriada, so I don't feel comfortable strongly saying "yeah let's give it to Dalriada because they're trying to be honest and have the most votes otherwise".

I voted for Striker (I couldn't even watch a single set from Dalriada, shame on me), but it would not make any sense to remove 35 votes from Dalriada and leave Witchtrap untouched. I mean, that would be even more unfair.


I voted for Witchtrap & still think they along with Total Death & Dalraida should be disqualified. I prefer to leave this year without a winner.
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Re: Cripper Award 2017 Official Thread

by bodomdragon » Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:48 am

Dalriada have done nothing wrong. There was only this one guy who had nothing better to do than create 35 fake accounts to vote for them. They have not been involved in this.

One cannot say the same about Total Death and Witchtrap, who have been begging their fans to register on this forum and vote.

So, I wouldn't disqualify Dalriada because one random idiot had a boring evening.

BUT, all in all, probably leaving the award void is what makes more sense after all.

BTW, Witchtrap keep getting votes, 15 and counting over the last hour and a half or so. I'm sure those are honest votes *rolls eyes*
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Re: Cripper Award 2017 Official Thread

by Witch » Thu Mar 02, 2017 10:35 am

We think is this case the band who really deserves the Cripper Award is TRAUMA. (0 votes)
even TRAUMA it's the most historical band among all of us, it was the very first band where Cliff Burton played before MetallicA.
after seeing all this jealousy attitude from followers of Dalriada specially and some few from Total Death and even Witchtrap's, this in unbelievable and awful situation, where the Metalheads are spreading envy, rage and fury against other metaheads, ohh satan lord what the hell is going on here?, it supposed all metalheads are a big family and all the sailors on #70000tonsofmetal #UMC are a big family, so what is this a stupid fighting for just a simple poll for an award?. come on metal friends, we need to leave this attittude out of our amazing Metalbrotherhood that has given to each metalhead the best thing to each one of our lifes.
actually this people is fulled and charged of envy, that is a big shame for Metal community.
we invite you to change our minds in order to be ONE and realize that we are ONE. :metalguy: :deathmetal: :death: :shred: :viking: :givebeer: :beerhorns: :bangers: :bmhorns: :wank: :beerbang: :headbanger:
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Re: Cripper Award 2017 Official Thread

by bodomdragon » Thu Mar 02, 2017 11:00 am

LOL.

No, man. This is just a bunch of us trying to keep a nice and "homemade" award honest and true to its principles. Don't use the words 'envy', 'rage', 'fury' or 'jealousy' so lightly.
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Re: Cripper Award 2017 Official Thread

by Witch » Thu Mar 02, 2017 11:16 am

lol too
tell me, how you could named to someone who has created many times accounts with the name witchtrapsucks??
is that a lovely way to name a band?? if so, maybe I live in a different world than you.
Anyway win who wins this poll is well deserved, I'm sure all the bands made a great show on board, cause I saw them all at least once.
So, the best vibes to all the bands on this poll and best success to each one of them in near future and forward.
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Re: Cripper Award 2017 Official Thread

by ExtraneouS » Thu Mar 02, 2017 11:31 am

Witch wrote:tell me, how you could named to someone who has created many times accounts with the name witchtrapsucks??
is that a lovely way to name a band?? if so, maybe I live in a different world than you.


At least they're honest about manipulating the vote. Can you honestly say that you didn't create a bunch of accounts so you could win?
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Re: Cripper Award 2017 Official Thread

by Phoenix » Thu Mar 02, 2017 11:31 am

bodomdragon wrote:Dalriada have done nothing wrong. There was only this one guy who had nothing better to do than create 35 fake accounts to vote for them. They have not been involved in this.

One cannot say the same about Total Death and Witchtrap, who have been begging their fans to register on this forum and vote.

In hindsight, I guess we can't really prove that the bored guy wasn't in Dalriada, can we. I would just feel bad if it wasn't them and we had to disqualify them for something they did NOT do. The small but relevant difference. But Sgt B is right, it wouldn't be fair to disqualify Total Death and Witchtrap and not Dalriada. Should we make an official motion to declare this vote null and void?

Witch wrote:We think is this case the band who really deserves the Cripper Award is TRAUMA. (0 votes)
after seeing all this jealousy attitude from followers of Dalriada specially and some few from Total Death and even Witchtrap's, this in unbelievable and awful situation, where the Metalheads are spreading envy, rage and fury against other metaheads, ohh satan lord what the hell is going on here?

I invite you to vote for Trauma if you think they deserve the award. As for "awful situation", yes, this is why we don't like it when fans are called upon to flood the forums with votes any which way. If there was a chance we could prove that the guy who registered 35 accounts to vote for Dalriada was in fact a member of Dalriada (I REALLY do not think that's the case but let's talk hypothetical) we'd be upset at Dalraida too.
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Re: Cripper Award 2017 Official Thread

by Monmisreal » Thu Mar 02, 2017 11:51 am

Well this thread escalated quickly. Does the winner still get 70k jackets or whatever? Until its umc controlled I'd say disband altogether. Same shit will probably happen next year too.
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Re: Cripper Award 2017 Official Thread

by ExtraneouS » Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:05 pm

I had an idea from preventing this from happening again. What if, someone was to make a Google Form to vote in, instead of voting in the forum, and one of the fields to fill out would be to put in your forum username. This way, we could disallow any votes from accounts that were created after the poll was open. Granted, we would need to find someone with too much time on their hands to cross check every vote, but it's the only way I can think of to have a fair vote without UMC doing it for us.
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by estefmg » Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:20 pm

I like the idea that someone suggested: creating a FB group which you can only be allowed in if you show a pic of you on this year's cruise or the cruise pass or something. Then and only then will the votes count. And I agree that disqualifying Total Death and Witchtrap but not Dalriada doesn't seem fair.
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Both of these ideas sound all right; the problem I have with the Facebook group is that I don't use my real name on Facebook, and naturally my SeaPass uses my real name. I think the google form is a better solution, we just need someone that's isn't me to do it. I don't have an assload of time lol
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by ExtraneouS » Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:27 pm

Maybe we should get the WitchtrapSucks guy to do it, since he clearly has a bunch of free time. :lol:
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by klons » Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:49 pm

All that said, Britta, no awarding things this year until things are sorted out (since the poll is supposed to close in 40 minutes) :roll:
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ExtraneouS wrote:I had an idea from preventing this from happening again. What if, someone was to make a Google Form to vote in, instead of voting in the forum, and one of the fields to fill out would be to put in your forum username. This way, we could disallow any votes from accounts that were created after the poll was open.


Keep in mind that someone who's new to the forum isn't necessarily new to the cruise. All (or some) of these forum newbie Witchtrap fans could actually have been on the cruise for all we know.
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by WitchtrapSucks45 » Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:22 pm

For the record, I'm not in Dalriada. But I cant prove it as I'm not going to say who I am.

I'm doing this because I want the right band to win. Dalriada seemed to be the favorite before the vote brigading began, so they should be the ones to win. There is talk of DQ'ing Witchtrap and Total Death so Dalriada will win, so I decided stop pussyfooting around it, spam the votes, so we don't need to debate it.
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by TPH » Thu Mar 02, 2017 2:08 pm

WitchtrapSucks45 wrote:I'm doing this because I'm an idiot with an IQ below 70


FTFY

Always the same old story, hundreds/thousands of nice people having fun together, and you just need a bunch of morons to spoil everything.
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WitchtrapSucks45 wrote:I'm doing this because I want the right band to win. Dalriada seemed to be the favorite before the vote brigading began, so they should be the ones to win.


On this, I agree.

There is talk of DQ'ing Witchtrap and Total Death so Dalriada will win, so I decided stop pussyfooting around it, spam the votes, so we don't need to debate it.


Sadly, two wrongs don't make it right....it just complicates matters.
At this point I think the general consensus will be to scrap the award entirely for 2017 (which sucks for Dalriada and really, all the bands who qualified as Cripper nominees) and -- hopefully -- find a way to tighten the voting process for next year.

I don't see any easy way to do that unless UMC includes it in the Survivors' Survey. Requiring a forum username with each vote would also allow "poaching" someone else's username...it's not like they're secret or anything. We'd have no way of knowing if a particular vote belonged to that user or not...unless "Memnoch" voted for Sabaton or something. :lol:
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by mooyagi » Thu Mar 02, 2017 2:18 pm

estefmg wrote:I like the idea that someone suggested: creating a FB group which you can only be allowed in if you show a pic of you on this year's cruise or the cruise pass or something. Then and only then will the votes count. And I agree that disqualifying Total Death and Witchtrap but not Dalriada doesn't seem fair.


Let's keep Facebook out of it. :beerwink:
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by Britta » Thu Mar 02, 2017 2:29 pm

Wow, super sad and sorry to see that the voting for this Survivor-created award has taken such a turn this year. This doesn't reflect what the Cripper Award is about, as I am sure most will agree.

How should we proceed? I read all the posts and there were a few different suggestions. Should we invalidate this poll, and conduct voting as it had been done in past years? It was also mentioned to drop the Cripper Award for 2017 - I will totally leave this up to all you guys and gals, but I would also like to express my opinion here: I think we should not allow this poll-gone-wrong ruin something for us, that has worked so well in past years and that we all had a lot of fun being a part of.

I would like to ask the committee to weigh in on this - DragonLordJones, Stained Class, abodrocc, bodomdragon.

I will leave any decisions on how to proceed in your able hands!
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mooyagi wrote:
estefmg wrote:I like the idea that someone suggested: creating a FB group which you can only be allowed in if you show a pic of you on this year's cruise or the cruise pass or something. Then and only then will the votes count. And I agree that disqualifying Total Death and Witchtrap but not Dalriada doesn't seem fair.


Let's keep Facebook out of it. :beerwink:


I don't see what the big deal is about hosting it on Facebook. It would make the whole thing so much easier. If you have a better idea, let's hear it!
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Jotunheimr wrote:I don't see what the big deal is about hosting it on Facebook. It would make the whole thing so much easier.

A lot of the people on the forum are vehemently against Facebook. Hence why this forum has survived for so long.
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Re: Cripper Award 2017 Official Thread

by SavaRon » Thu Mar 02, 2017 3:33 pm

Why doesn't everybody post in this thread who they voted for specifically. Should be pretty easy to figure out who is the winner. Maybe only count members registered before this cruise. Might leave some real votes out, but should give a real good good idea who the leader actually is. Just a thought.
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by estefmg » Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:07 pm

SavaRon wrote:Why doesn't everybody post in this thread who they voted for specifically. Should be pretty easy to figure out who is the winner. Maybe only count members registered before this cruise. Might leave some real votes out, but should give a real good good idea who the leader actually is. Just a thought.


This doesn't sound fair though. This was my first cruise ever and I didn't even know there was a forum or that we could vote for the award until I saw that on the 70000 tons Instagram about it. The poll was already opened, and I signed up to vote. How was voting done in the past?
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by gnoff_the_creep » Fri Mar 10, 2017 5:19 pm

Really a shame the voting turned bad.
A shame if a band or some bands encourage ppl that weren't even on the cruise to vote since they're fans.
Would be neat if UMC had the manpower to actually send a vote link to the ppl who had tickets, but won't happen for this year.
As for spamming one band so the "right band" wins, that's as bad if nto worse as 45 actual fans for the "other" band signed on just to get them to win something that all of a sudden won't mean as much, since it wasn't in the spirit of how this all got started.

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by abodrocc » Fri Mar 10, 2017 6:57 pm

I think that the votation should be, just the same as UMC sent a link to the survivor feedback survey, using some personal access code, that will ensure that all votes belong to sailors who went to the cruise

In other side, maybe using the internal registers of UMC, can void the votes of users registred in the 2 or 3 days before the votation closes.
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by deathmetalpat » Fri Mar 10, 2017 8:15 pm

And upon further review,DALRIADA Wins!(Look at vote count lol)
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by abodrocc » Sat Mar 11, 2017 2:11 pm

Britta wrote:Wow, super sad and sorry to see that the voting for this Survivor-created award has taken such a turn this year. This doesn't reflect what the Cripper Award is about, as I am sure most will agree.

How should we proceed? I read all the posts and there were a few different suggestions. Should we invalidate this poll, and conduct voting as it had been done in past years? It was also mentioned to drop the Cripper Award for 2017 - I will totally leave this up to all you guys and gals, but I would also like to express my opinion here: I think we should not allow this poll-gone-wrong ruin something for us, that has worked so well in past years and that we all had a lot of fun being a part of.

I would like to ask the committee to weigh in on this - DragonLordJones, Stained Class, abodrocc, bodomdragon.

I will leave any decisions on how to proceed in your able hands!


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My vote is to invalidate this poll, if UMC have resources to make a votation, where this year's registred sailors vote once, will be a new one.
Just like the votes for songs in the Jeff Waters Jam few years ago, or the survivor feedback survey.
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Re: Cripper Award 2017 Official Thread

by deathmetalpat » Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:33 pm

abodrocc wrote:
Britta wrote:Wow, super sad and sorry to see that the voting for this Survivor-created award has taken such a turn this year. This doesn't reflect what the Cripper Award is about, as I am sure most will agree.

How should we proceed? I read all the posts and there were a few different suggestions. Should we invalidate this poll, and conduct voting as it had been done in past years? It was also mentioned to drop the Cripper Award for 2017 - I will totally leave this up to all you guys and gals, but I would also like to express my opinion here: I think we should not allow this poll-gone-wrong ruin something for us, that has worked so well in past years and that we all had a lot of fun being a part of.

I would like to ask the committee to weigh in on this - DragonLordJones, Stained Class, abodrocc, bodomdragon.

I will leave any decisions on how to proceed in your able hands!


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My vote is to invalidate this poll, if UMC have resources to make a votation, where this year's registred sailors vote once, will be a new one.
Just like the votes for songs in the Jeff Waters Jam few years ago, or the survivor feedback survey.
Nope the poll is fine now ,it appears that the " maintenance " done by UMC was to remove a bunch of people who created usernames in order solely to vote.They must have removed duplicate IP addresses,don't know how many votes bands lost but totals are down.The decision is final,
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by meshuggah » Sat Mar 11, 2017 8:32 pm

This poll should be invalidated since the band I voted for didn't win.
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