General Zod wrote:based on the previous two years, I would anticipate an announcement on or around xmass and the announcements to come every couples of days until you sail. It's definitely one of the aspects that makes this festival appear less professionally managed.
Downvod wrote:'Appear' is the key word though. Once you are actually on board, everything is tight as hell.
Downvod wrote:Also, there are always big bands announced every year once the cruise is mostly sold. Sabaton was announced way after the cruise was sold out.
Downvod wrote:People know to book and trust. At this point, it's not about getting additional people to book this year, but maintaining that loyalty.
General Zod wrote:Downvod wrote:'Appear' is the key word though. Once you are actually on board, everything is tight as hell.
Yes and no. A large part of what makes the ship run smoothly is the Royal Caribbean side of things. Shows regularly run over and start late in a way they just don't at other festivals. The sound often takes a few songs of each artist's set to dial in. Having been to many festivals around the world, I would put 70K near the bottom as to how well things run.Downvod wrote:Also, there are always big bands announced every year once the cruise is mostly sold. Sabaton was announced way after the cruise was sold out.
I feel like you're giving credit for something that's not deserving of credit. Big bands *should* be announced after the cruise is sold out if you're going to announce only a third of the line up before asking your customers to shell out for what just may be the most expensive metal festival on the planet.Downvod wrote:People know to book and trust. At this point, it's not about getting additional people to book this year, but maintaining that loyalty.
Not everyone "trusts". I bailed the day before the deadline because I think the line up is terrible and I don't trust in the Captain's taste. Since bailing it's been nothing but announcements that have made me feel justified in my decision.
Downvod wrote:General Zod wrote:Downvod wrote:'Appear' is the key word though. Once you are actually on board, everything is tight as hell.
Yes and no. A large part of what makes the ship run smoothly is the Royal Caribbean side of things. Shows regularly run over and start late in a way they just don't at other festivals. The sound often takes a few songs of each artist's set to dial in. Having been to many festivals around the world, I would put 70K near the bottom as to how well things run.Downvod wrote:Also, there are always big bands announced every year once the cruise is mostly sold. Sabaton was announced way after the cruise was sold out.
I feel like you're giving credit for something that's not deserving of credit. Big bands *should* be announced after the cruise is sold out if you're going to announce only a third of the line up before asking your customers to shell out for what just may be the most expensive metal festival on the planet.Downvod wrote:People know to book and trust. At this point, it's not about getting additional people to book this year, but maintaining that loyalty.
Not everyone "trusts". I bailed the day before the deadline because I think the line up is terrible and I don't trust in the Captain's taste. Since bailing it's been nothing but announcements that have made me feel justified in my decision.
I am not necessarily giving them credit, but am saying that people shouldn't assume all remaining bands will be unknown just because it is sold out. They are always announcing bigger names regardless of the sales status.
As far as the actual event organization, I've never had reason to complain. Cruise ships were not originally intended with large music festivals in mind, so I cut them some slack in trying to coordinate 120 shows in such a short amount of time. I think 90% of it runs pretty damned smoothly all things considered.... and there are certainly a lot of advantages this event has over other festivals.
As far as the lineups, they are always pretty well rounded to cover most tastes. This is only going to be my third cruise coming up, but I am familiar with all of the lineups since 2011. Even though some lineups are better than others, I can't say there has been a single one that hasn't had enough for me to justify attending. I see a lot of people on here that like one sub-sub-sub genre and like 3-4 bands every year... and they still seem to have a great time.
Downvod wrote:I am not necessarily giving them credit, but am saying that people shouldn't assume all remaining bands will be unknown just because it is sold out. They are always announcing bigger names regardless of the sales status.
Downvod wrote:As far as the lineups, they are always pretty well rounded to cover most tastes.
General Zod wrote:Although I find his line-ups too heavily favor melodeath and thrash, I would agree.
TPH wrote:General Zod wrote:Although I find his line-ups too heavily favor melodeath and thrash, I would agree.
There's no such thing as "favoring thrash too much"
Downvod wrote:TPH wrote:General Zod wrote:Although I find his line-ups too heavily favor melodeath and thrash, I would agree.
There's no such thing as "favoring thrash too much"
1 thrash band and 3 melodeath this year... what am I missing?
Phoenix wrote:Downvod wrote:General Zod wrote:Although I find his line-ups too heavily favor melodeath and thrash, I would agree.
1 thrash band and 3 melodeath this year... what am I missing?
In fairness, last year was basically 70,000 Tons of Melodeath. I have so much free time by comparison.
Downvod wrote:TPH wrote:General Zod wrote:Although I find his line-ups too heavily favor melodeath and thrash, I would agree.
There's no such thing as "favoring thrash too much"
1 thrash band and 3 melodeath this year... what am I missing?
sara wrote:
Now does 70k have many problems or not? There's a lot more logistics to running a festival on a cruise boat instead of a big, flat field. I think given that, they do okay. Most problems I've seen were with putting up a new stage or some bad weather. Always the schedule is tweaked when sets can't happen as planned.
sara wrote:There's a lot more logistics to running a festival on a cruise boat instead of a big, flat field. I think given that, they do okay.
TPH wrote:sara wrote:There's a lot more logistics to running a festival on a cruise boat instead of a big, flat field. I think given that, they do okay.
I'd say the complete opposite: having 3 out of 4 stages being indoors, and with the biggest stage being around a tenth of the size of a mainstage in a big European fest (not even talking about the Pyramid Lounge!), 70K have it way, way easier than any average outdoor fest.
Phoenix wrote:I imagine the boat also adds the complication of limited resources. If your sound equipment is borked, you either need to bring an extra before broading or make do with what you have. You can't ask someone else to drive you over new equipment.
Downvod wrote:'Appear' is the key word though. Once you are actually on board, everything is tight as hell.
General Zod wrote:Not everyone "trusts". I bailed the day before the deadline because I think the line up is terrible and I don't trust in the Captain's taste. Since bailing it's been nothing but announcements that have made me feel justified in my decision.
Downvod wrote:As far as the lineups, they are always pretty well rounded to cover most tastes. This is only going to be my third cruise coming up. However, even though some lineups are better than others, I can't say there has been a single one that hasn't had enough for me to justify attending. I see a lot of people on here that like one sub-sub-sub genre and like 3-4 bands every year... and they still seem to have a great time.
TPH wrote:sara wrote:There's a lot more logistics to running a festival on a cruise boat instead of a big, flat field. I think given that, they do okay.
I'd say the complete opposite: having 3 out of 4 stages being indoors, and with the biggest stage being around a tenth of the size of a mainstage in a big European fest (not even talking about the Pyramid Lounge!), 70K have it way, way easier than any average outdoor fest.
downvod wrote:Agreed... and people mention the cost of the event when evaluating how well it is run... yes, it is expensive, but I don't think it is really all that profitable when it all comes down to it.
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