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Poll: Now that UMC has blown their own deadline for the first time, do you think they owe us the truth?
  • Godflesh
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    Poll: Now that UMC has blown their own deadline for the first time, do you think they owe us the truth?

    by Godflesh » Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:22 am

    1) Yes
    2) Fuck yes
    3) I don’t care anymore, I’m off to Megacruise/other music cruises/European festivals
    4) What the fuck is UMC?
    5) Andy *always* delivers, grow up and stop bitching
    6) Take my money, please!
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    Re: Poll: Now that UMC has blown their own deadline for the first time, do you think they owe us the truth?

    by Henrypalmz » Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:24 am

    Fuck yes!!!
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    Re: Poll: Now that UMC has blown their own deadline for the first time, do you think they owe us the truth?

    by Godflesh » Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:26 am

    My vote (as I’m a polite guy): 1
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    Re: Poll: Now that UMC has blown their own deadline for the first time, do you think they owe us the truth?

    by Amalu » Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:31 am

    My vote is: 5
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    Re: Poll: Now that UMC has blown their own deadline for the first time, do you think they owe us the truth?

    by Zed3 » Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:34 am

    Godflesh wrote:
    Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:22 am
    2) Fuck yes
    But I don't expect any explanation to be given !

    Godflesh wrote:
    Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:22 am
    3) I don’t care anymore, I’m off to Megacruise/other music cruises/European festivals
    I won't be going this year, it a definite no now. I wasn't sure form the start but with a few wishlist bands announced this summer I could have booked but now that the flights are reaching it has become too expensive... but what little I spared toward 2020 will go towards 2021 (supposing we're coming back to a "normal" situation regarding announcements, bookings etc) and a Hellfest pass if I can secure one this year !

    Godflesh wrote:
    Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:22 am
    5) Andy *always* delivers, grow up and stop bitching
    People who can wait some more to book won't be disappointed i'm certain of that and that whole shitshow will be forgotten by the time they embark ! (sure there will be more bitching when announcements start but that's expected !)
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    Re: Poll: Now that UMC has blown their own deadline for the first time, do you think they owe us the truth?

    by cowboy71 » Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:45 am

    I'd be tempted to go:

    3) For the Monsters of Rock cruise:
    - Sails at a better time for cheaper flights (flights are $1,500 cheaper than for 70K 2020)
    - Lineup announced months in advance
    - 13 bands I'd see 2 sets from
    - Probably every single act I'd see at least once!
    - 3 bucketlist bands (Krokus, King's X, Stryper) with King's X being probably the #1 band on my never-seen-live bucketlist!

    BUT, I've already got leave booked, so I'd have to go with:

    6) As I'll still go

    But REEALLY

    2) SO. MOTHER. FUCKING. MUCH. 2)
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    Re: Poll: Now that UMC has blown their own deadline for the first time, do you think they owe us the truth?

    by Marmotte » Thu Sep 26, 2019 5:32 am

    My vote goes to 1
    Even if I doubt they will tell us anything
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    Re: Poll: Now that UMC has blown their own deadline for the first time, do you think they owe us the truth?

    by PotatoPotahto » Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:12 am

    I'm going with 2... If they DON'T offer some kind of explanation they'll lose customers, I think, permanently. Even though Andy's modus operandi is mystery and silence, this is too much for him. Something is clearly fucked up and if they just go ahead with bands and don't answer questions then I'm sure a few longtime survivors will give up for every year after 2020.
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    Re: Poll: Now that UMC has blown their own deadline for the first time, do you think they owe us the truth?

    by bbqmonster » Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:32 am

    I am going to go with YES!! I would love an explanation. I get if things happen that are out of UMC's control, however, keeping silent and just stringing us along with "Survivor Tips" or a video is just ridiculous. I do not know if it is their way of trying to get new blood on the boat since us survivors get the first dibs, or they are just waiting till October because it is round ten. I just hope this isn't becoming the norm.
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    Re: Poll: Now that UMC has blown their own deadline for the first time, do you think they owe us the truth?

    by Phoenix » Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:33 am

    They probably do owe some sort of explanation, but I just don't care anymore. Hyperspace, Prog Power, Heavy Montreal, Summer Breeze - I'll find a new festival to frequent. Or maybe just travel for the few remaining bands on my bucket list.

    Though I might make a trip pre-cruise in 2021 to hang out with everyone. That sounds nice.
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    Re: Poll: Now that UMC has blown their own deadline for the first time, do you think they owe us the truth?

    by Tiki108 » Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:07 am

    Combo of 2 & 6. I want an explanation for this shit, but at the same time, I really want to go again.
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      Re: Poll: Now that UMC has blown their own deadline for the first time, do you think they owe us the truth?

      by acidbasement » Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:35 am

      I'm starting to lose my "Andy will never fail us" attitude. This cruise is obviously a huge logistical undertaking with a lot of moving parts, and it looks like some of those parts aren't moving right now. He doesn't owe us an explanation, but after 9 solid years, he does owe us a 10th because he told us it was happening and we believed him.

      I'm not happy about the price increases every year. Nobody's salary goes up at the rate that 70K does, and I think 2020 is the last year I want to feel poor in spite of my wife and I both having decent jobs. We've already bought plane tickets and booked vacation time, so I feel we're locked in this year, but it's going to be a discussion going forward. Maybe we'll do every other year after this, if it's still happening. Again, 70K doesn't owe us an explanation of why the cost is rising so much. Maybe their costs are rising that much too, or maybe they're just padding their investors' wallets - doesn't matter, not my problem. I'm just feeling like it's getting out of my reach unless I stop taking my kids, and they love it so much that I don't feel like it's an option to go without them.

      I loved Wacken Winter Nights last year, and I'm going to suggest to my family that we do something like that instead of 70K in 2021. It was comparatively cheap (except the plane tickets) and really outstanding, and I got to see some 70K fam on their home turf.
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      Re: Poll: Now that UMC has blown their own deadline for the first time, do you think they owe us the truth?

      by jeyrow » Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:44 am

      7- I don't care about anything anymore !!! I'm going to the Folk Summer Fest in Russia
      Godflesh wrote:
      Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:22 am
      1) Yes
      2) Fuck yes
      3) I don’t care anymore, I’m off to Megacruise/other music cruises/European festivals
      4) What the fuck is UMC?
      5) Andy *always* delivers, grow up and stop bitching
      6) Take my money, please!
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      Re: Poll: Now that UMC has blown their own deadline for the first time, do you think they owe us the truth?

      by Phoenix » Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:49 am

      acidbasement wrote:
      Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:35 am
      This cruise is obviously a huge logistical undertaking with a lot of moving parts, and it looks like some of those parts aren't moving right now. He doesn't owe us an explanation, but after 9 solid years, he does owe us a 10th because he told us it was happening and we believed him.
      Yeah, maybe "an explanation" is too much to ask. An apology? An acknowledgement that this radio silence isn't working? That would be nice.
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      Re: Poll: Now that UMC has blown their own deadline for the first time, do you think they owe us the truth?

      by Welli » Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:28 am

      My vote: 2) and 6)
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      Re: Poll: Now that UMC has blown their own deadline for the first time, do you think they owe us the truth?

      by TPH » Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:46 am

      3) I don’t care anymore, I’m off to anywhere else where you won't have my fucking money anymore.
      Already been there 3 times, and looking at how things are brilliantly managed, coming back a fourth time is 99% certain NOT to happen ever again. And it's even 666% sure if we're talking about fuckin' 2020.
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      Re: Poll: Now that UMC has blown their own deadline for the first time, do you think they owe us the truth?

      by Mr.Kito » Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:16 am

      Tiki108 wrote:
      Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:07 am
      Combo of 2 & 6. I want an explanation for this shit, but at the same time, I really want to go again.

      totally this

      but with exchange rates in my country becoming unpredictable and fligh prices, its becoming harder by the day for me :cry:
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      Re: Poll: Now that UMC has blown their own deadline for the first time, do you think they owe us the truth?

      by cegr80 » Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:44 am

      I would go with the before mentioned combo, 2 & 6
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      Re: Poll: Now that UMC has blown their own deadline for the first time, do you think they owe us the truth?

      by Tiki108 » Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:04 am

      Phoenix wrote:
      Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:49 am
      acidbasement wrote:
      Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:35 am
      This cruise is obviously a huge logistical undertaking with a lot of moving parts, and it looks like some of those parts aren't moving right now. He doesn't owe us an explanation, but after 9 solid years, he does owe us a 10th because he told us it was happening and we believed him.
      Yeah, maybe "an explanation" is too much to ask. An apology? An acknowledgement that this radio silence isn't working? That would be nice.
      If he still sells plenty of tickets then he has no motivation to change. This year I don't think it'll hurt the bottom line, but assuming there is a next year, I think it'll definitely hurt him unless he starts announcing early cause most people are just annoyed with having to wait and stress about whether or not it's happening.
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        Re: Poll: Now that UMC has blown their own deadline for the first time, do you think they owe us the truth?

        by Tiki108 » Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:15 am

        Mr.Kito wrote:
        Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:16 am
        Tiki108 wrote:
        Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:07 am
        Combo of 2 & 6. I want an explanation for this shit, but at the same time, I really want to go again.

        totally this

        but with exchange rates in my country becoming unpredictable and fligh prices, its becoming harder by the day for me :cry:
        This is what bugs me so much. I hate that there's so many people from all over the world that want to go and can't now because flights are going up, exchange rate is sucking more by the day and so many needs Visas which require proof of booking and accommodations. They want everyone to just assume it's happening and not care about the line up. I haven't been since 2014 cause I ended up always making other plans. I just decided to block off the time for this one since it's the 10th, but all future years are heavily line up dependent.
        70K: 2014
        MDF: 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017
        Summer Breeze: 2014, 2015
        Party.San: 2015
        ProgPower: 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019
        Trveheim: 2018


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          Re: Poll: Now that UMC has blown their own deadline for the first time, do you think they owe us the truth?

          by PotatoPotahto » Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:29 am

          Phoenix wrote:
          Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:49 am
          acidbasement wrote:
          Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:35 am
          This cruise is obviously a huge logistical undertaking with a lot of moving parts, and it looks like some of those parts aren't moving right now. He doesn't owe us an explanation, but after 9 solid years, he does owe us a 10th because he told us it was happening and we believed him.
          Yeah, maybe "an explanation" is too much to ask. An apology? An acknowledgement that this radio silence isn't working? That would be nice.
          This is my thinking too. I don't need a "Sorry our CIO left us and some investors dropped out, added to the Visa bullshittery in the USA right now booking and shit has become an issue, bare with us."

          I'd just like to see a "Some issues have occured, we apologize for the delay and any inconvenience we may have caused."
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          Re: Poll: Now that UMC has blown their own deadline for the first time, do you think they owe us the truth?

          by Tiki108 » Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:48 am

          PotatoPotahto wrote:
          Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:29 am
          Phoenix wrote:
          Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:49 am
          acidbasement wrote:
          Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:35 am
          This cruise is obviously a huge logistical undertaking with a lot of moving parts, and it looks like some of those parts aren't moving right now. He doesn't owe us an explanation, but after 9 solid years, he does owe us a 10th because he told us it was happening and we believed him.
          Yeah, maybe "an explanation" is too much to ask. An apology? An acknowledgement that this radio silence isn't working? That would be nice.
          This is my thinking too. I don't need a "Sorry our CIO left us and some investors dropped out, added to the Visa bullshittery in the USA right now booking and shit has become an issue, bare with us."

          I'd just like to see a "Some issues have occured, we apologize for the delay and any inconvenience we may have caused."
          Exactly, while I'd like an explanation of some sort, doesn't have to be detailed, but I have a feeling they will just act like nothing happened and refuse to even apologize.
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            Re: Poll: Now that UMC has blown their own deadline for the first time, do you think they owe us the truth?

            by Bolt_Thrower » Thu Sep 26, 2019 1:06 pm

            Maybe they’re working out how to make the merchandise even more of a painful process.
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            Re: Poll: Now that UMC has blown their own deadline for the first time, do you think they owe us the truth?

            by cowboy71 » Thu Sep 26, 2019 3:02 pm

            Bolt_Thrower wrote:
            Thu Sep 26, 2019 1:06 pm
            Maybe they’re working out how to make the merchandise even more of a painful process.
            Maybe after 9 cruises they have run out of ideas for a new logo?
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            Re: Poll: Now that UMC has blown their own deadline for the first time, do you think they owe us the truth?

            by Castroh » Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:56 pm

            5. No need to bitch and whine anymore, it just brings negative energy to our boat. Andy will either deliver or he won’t. If he doesn’t deliver, I’ll just find something else awesome to do.
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            Re: Poll: Now that UMC has blown their own deadline for the first time, do you think they owe us the truth?

            by Amalu » Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:48 pm

            Tiki108 wrote:
            Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:48 am
            Exactly, while I'd like an explanation of some sort, doesn't have to be detailed, but I have a feeling they will just act like nothing happened and refuse to even apologize.
            And if they come out and say "All went to plan. This is how we wanted it to be"? Some would probably not believe it, right? There is no way, regardless of the reasons behind the late announcements, that UMC can make everyone happy. If they say "Well, sorry, there was some delay" there will be those who will start rumors and start poking around. So either way, people are not going to be happy.

            Without being given inside into the whole operation, we will never know for certain if and what is/was wrong.

            Just relax! If you can wait longer, then wait. The cruise is all well worth the waiting. At the end we will have a fantastic time on board and leave the boat with a lot of sleep to catch up to. :D
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            Re: Poll: Now that UMC has blown their own deadline for the first time, do you think they owe us the truth?

            by General Zod » Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:22 am

            I've been a #3 going on three years now. Having attended Wacken and Sweden Rock, DecibelFest and Psycho Las Vegas each of the last the years, roughly 20 ProgPowers, and a pair of 70Ks, I can say without hesitation, Andy is worst promoter in the business. It's why I no longer go on the cruise. I just refuse to support, with my dollars, businesses that are run by morons. While I genuinely hope, for the sake of all the fans who love this festival, that 2020 is another good year, I will smile widely if this festival comes crashing down on his head. It's nothing less than he deserves.
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            Re: Poll: Now that UMC has blown their own deadline for the first time, do you think they owe us the truth?

            by Tiki108 » Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:19 am

            Amalu wrote:
            Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:48 pm
            Tiki108 wrote:
            Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:48 am
            Exactly, while I'd like an explanation of some sort, doesn't have to be detailed, but I have a feeling they will just act like nothing happened and refuse to even apologize.
            And if they come out and say "All went to plan. This is how we wanted it to be"? Some would probably not believe it, right? There is no way, regardless of the reasons behind the late announcements, that UMC can make everyone happy. If they say "Well, sorry, there was some delay" there will be those who will start rumors and start poking around. So either way, people are not going to be happy.

            Without being given inside into the whole operation, we will never know for certain if and what is/was wrong.

            Just relax! If you can wait longer, then wait. The cruise is all well worth the waiting. At the end we will have a fantastic time on board and leave the boat with a lot of sleep to catch up to. :D
            I agree that we probably won't truly know what will happen and it's impossible to make everyone happy, but this is just personally what I'd like to have happen. I'm just mostly annoyed for those that can't go because of the delay. I just drive down to the port, so for me it's not a big deal, I have nothing to lose either way.
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              Aeternus-/-Ahab-/-Almah-/-Angel.Dust-/-Astral.Doors-/-At.The.Gates-/-Avantasia-/-Avatarium-/-Axel.Rudi.Pell-/-Behemoth-/-Black.Majesty-/-Blind.Guardian-/-Bloodbath-/-Candlemass-/-Carach.Angren-/-Carpathian.Forest-/-Circle.II.Circle-/-Circus.Maximus-/-Coffins-/-Conception-/-Crystal.Eyes-/-Dark.Angel-/-Dark.Fortress-/-Dark.Funeral-/-Darkthrone-/-Demons&Wizards-/-Dragonland-/-Dream.Evil-/-Dream.Theater-/-Edguy-/-Emperor-/-Enslaved-/-Epysode-/-Exhorder-/-Falkenbach-/-Forest.Stream-/-Gamma.Ray-/-God.Dethroned-/-Grailknights-/-Grand.Magus-/-Green.Carnation-/-Hammerfall-/-Heaven.Shall.Burn-/-Helloween-/-Iced.Earth-/-Impaled.Nazarene-/-Insomnium-/-Iron.Savior-/-Isole-/-Jag.Panzer-/-Kalmah-/-Katatonia-/-King.Diamond-/-Kreator-/-Lacrimosa-/-Legion.of.the.Damned-/-Lunatica-/-Marduk-/-Moonsorrow-/-Mors.Principium.Est-/-Mortification-/-Mournful.Congregation-/-Ne.Obliviscaris-/-Nocturnal.Rites-/-Now.or.Never-/-Powerwolf-/-Psyclon.Nine-/-Rhapsody.of.Fire-/-Savatage-/-Saviour.Machine-/-Serenity.in.Murder-/-Seven.Witches-/-Seventh.Wonder-/-Sodom-/-Stratovarius-/-Svart.Crown-/-Taake-/-Tad.Morose-/-Triptykon-/-Týr-/-Ulcerate-/-Unisonic-/-Vanishing.Point-/-Virgin.Black-/-Voyager-/-Whispered-/-Wolfheart-/-Wuthering.Heights-/-Zornheym
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              Re: Poll: Now that UMC has blown their own deadline for the first time, do you think they owe us the truth?

              by Gratch » Fri Sep 27, 2019 10:02 am

              General Zod wrote:
              Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:22 am
              I've been a #3 going on three years now. Having attended Wacken and Sweden Rock, DecibelFest and Psycho Las Vegas each of the last the years, roughly 20 ProgPowers, and a pair of 70Ks, I can say without hesitation, Andy is worst promoter in the business. It's why I no longer go on the cruise. I just refuse to support, with my dollars, businesses that are run by morons. While I genuinely hope, for the sake of all the fans who love this festival, that 2020 is another good year, I will smile widely if this festival comes crashing down on his head. It's nothing less than he deserves.
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              Re: Poll: Now that UMC has blown their own deadline for the first time, do you think they owe us the truth?

              by jeyrow » Fri Sep 27, 2019 1:19 pm

              They updated the date of "pay in full" to October 3 apparently

              https://70000tons.com/payment-schedule/

              SOON
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              Re: Poll: Now that UMC has blown their own deadline for the first time, do you think they owe us the truth?

              by FinnPete » Fri Sep 27, 2019 1:29 pm

              From where on current site did you find the link to that? Or is it some old bookmark and page has been updated? I've tried to click everything and haven't found that. I'm not so concerned. For the family flights, hotel and everything has been reserved for Indy cruise on Jan 11th. I've just reserved some spare time starting from 7th to 11th in case something cool would happen. Like "have a heavy time swimming with alligators". I prefer "here tonight on 70000k tons of Metal are two greats, Beast in Black and Battle Beast having shows different times..".
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              Re: Poll: Now that UMC has blown their own deadline for the first time, do you think they owe us the truth?

              by Tiki108 » Fri Sep 27, 2019 1:36 pm

              FinnPete wrote:
              Fri Sep 27, 2019 1:29 pm
              From where on current site did you find the link to that? Or is it some old bookmark and page has been updated? I've tried to click everything and haven't found that.
              Statsman found it's from an old confirmation email. I can't find it anywhere except there.
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                Aeternus-/-Ahab-/-Almah-/-Angel.Dust-/-Astral.Doors-/-At.The.Gates-/-Avantasia-/-Avatarium-/-Axel.Rudi.Pell-/-Behemoth-/-Black.Majesty-/-Blind.Guardian-/-Bloodbath-/-Candlemass-/-Carach.Angren-/-Carpathian.Forest-/-Circle.II.Circle-/-Circus.Maximus-/-Coffins-/-Conception-/-Crystal.Eyes-/-Dark.Angel-/-Dark.Fortress-/-Dark.Funeral-/-Darkthrone-/-Demons&Wizards-/-Dragonland-/-Dream.Evil-/-Dream.Theater-/-Edguy-/-Emperor-/-Enslaved-/-Epysode-/-Exhorder-/-Falkenbach-/-Forest.Stream-/-Gamma.Ray-/-God.Dethroned-/-Grailknights-/-Grand.Magus-/-Green.Carnation-/-Hammerfall-/-Heaven.Shall.Burn-/-Helloween-/-Iced.Earth-/-Impaled.Nazarene-/-Insomnium-/-Iron.Savior-/-Isole-/-Jag.Panzer-/-Kalmah-/-Katatonia-/-King.Diamond-/-Kreator-/-Lacrimosa-/-Legion.of.the.Damned-/-Lunatica-/-Marduk-/-Moonsorrow-/-Mors.Principium.Est-/-Mortification-/-Mournful.Congregation-/-Ne.Obliviscaris-/-Nocturnal.Rites-/-Now.or.Never-/-Powerwolf-/-Psyclon.Nine-/-Rhapsody.of.Fire-/-Savatage-/-Saviour.Machine-/-Serenity.in.Murder-/-Seven.Witches-/-Seventh.Wonder-/-Sodom-/-Stratovarius-/-Svart.Crown-/-Taake-/-Tad.Morose-/-Triptykon-/-Týr-/-Ulcerate-/-Unisonic-/-Vanishing.Point-/-Virgin.Black-/-Voyager-/-Whispered-/-Wolfheart-/-Wuthering.Heights-/-Zornheym
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                Re: Poll: Now that UMC has blown their own deadline for the first time, do you think they owe us the truth?

                by cowboy71 » Fri Sep 27, 2019 1:38 pm

                That link USED to be on the website several years ago but disappeared in a minor update to the design they did a couple of years ago.

                It WAS in my Gold Survivor early booking email last year though as Tiki noted.
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                Re: Poll: Now that UMC has blown their own deadline for the first time, do you think they owe us the truth?

                by FinnPete » Fri Sep 27, 2019 1:45 pm

                I bow to you, D. Have you ever missed any detail?
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                Re: Poll: Now that UMC has blown their own deadline for the first time, do you think they owe us the truth?

                by deathmetalpat » Fri Sep 27, 2019 2:17 pm

                jeyrow wrote:
                Fri Sep 27, 2019 1:19 pm
                They updated the date of "pay in full" to October 3 apparently

                https://70000tons.com/payment-schedule/

                SOON
                So that means that booking will begin before October 3rd for the Gold but anybody that isn’t Gold will have to pay in full.The last payment would be due on January 3rd ,just 4 days before the cruise and probably after you would get your code from Royal Caribbean to set up everything.

                Or

                This is just another meaningless change and because of some weird rule they changed it and Gold will start booking after October 3rd.


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                Re: Poll: Now that UMC has blown their own deadline for the first time, do you think they owe us the truth?

                by acidbasement » Fri Sep 27, 2019 2:54 pm

                Do we know for sure that they updated that page recently?

                The Wayback Machine from archive.org doesn't have anything from that page since 2017, so there's no way to check it unless someone here has been actively looking at it in the last few weeks/months.
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                Re: Poll: Now that UMC has blown their own deadline for the first time, do you think they owe us the truth?

                by cowboy71 » Fri Sep 27, 2019 3:05 pm

                acidbasement wrote:
                Fri Sep 27, 2019 2:54 pm
                Do we know for sure that they updated that page recently?

                The Wayback Machine from archive.org doesn't have anything from that page since 2017, so there's no way to check it unless someone here has been actively looking at it in the last few weeks/months.
                TRUE. But if you google for "70000 payment schedule", the top result is an obviously cached snapshot saying "For bookings until October 28, 2018" so its fair to say its been updated in the past 12 months definitely, as to whether it was very recently or not its hard to say:

                PAYMENT SCHEDULE | 70000TONS OF METAL - The ...

                https://70000tons.com › payment-schedule
                PAYMENT SCHEDULE. For bookings until October 28, 2018 you may choose to: A) Pay In Full At Booking (5% Discount). Reservations that are paid in full at the ...
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                Re: Poll: Now that UMC has blown their own deadline for the first time, do you think they owe us the truth?

                by cowboy71 » Fri Sep 27, 2019 3:09 pm

                I've just confirmed that page has definitely changed sometime in the last 10 days.
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                Re: Poll: Now that UMC has blown their own deadline for the first time, do you think they owe us the truth?

                by TOM CRUISE » Fri Sep 27, 2019 3:12 pm

                So if no explanation or apology occurs, whose down to wait on pool deck until we see Andy, then we storm him and ask him what happened ?🤣🤣
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                Re: Poll: Now that UMC has blown their own deadline for the first time, do you think they owe us the truth?

                by cowboy71 » Fri Sep 27, 2019 3:17 pm

                TOM CRUISE wrote:
                Fri Sep 27, 2019 3:12 pm
                So if no explanation or apology occurs, whose down to wait on pool deck until we see Andy, then we storm him and ask him what happened ?🤣🤣
                LOL - yeah I think I mentioned somewhere else that if no explanation is given, then the #1 question that will be asked of the Skipper and ANYONE wearing a 70K Crew shirt next year will be "WHAT THE FUCK?" :P
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