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    Re: What bands can be ruled out for 2021?

    by Sgt. B » Mon Mar 16, 2020 1:27 pm

    whuhnerJunk wrote:
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    Just got a notification that Tyr will be in Minneapolis on New Years day. So I'm going to rule them and whoever else winds up on that rescheduled tour.

    While there is the possibility that they could fit in the cruise since they are in the US already, given Andy's track record for planning ahead I'm assuming the 7th-11th are booked for them.
    That New Years Day show looks like your local promoter just pushing out the event listing until he gets a rescheduled date. He has multiple shows all listed as January 1st, 2021. I don't think that is a definitive date. If it is, then the Tyr tour is sharing a venue with the Attila tour.
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    Re: What bands can be ruled out for 2021?

    by whuhnerJunk » Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:41 pm

    Sgt. B wrote:
    Mon Mar 16, 2020 1:27 pm
    whuhnerJunk wrote:
    Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:41 pm
    Just got a notification that Tyr will be in Minneapolis on New Years day. So I'm going to rule them and whoever else winds up on that rescheduled tour.

    While there is the possibility that they could fit in the cruise since they are in the US already, given Andy's track record for planning ahead I'm assuming the 7th-11th are booked for them.
    That New Years Day show looks like your local promoter just pushing out the event listing until he gets a rescheduled date. He has multiple shows all listed as January 1st, 2021. I don't think that is a definitive date. If it is, then the Tyr tour is sharing a venue with the Attila tour.
    Thanks. I was only subscribed to that tour and couldn't find anything else. Then again that promoter is supposedly a POS towards bands so who knows.
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    Re: What bands can be ruled out for 2021?

    by Fulorian » Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:24 pm

    whuhnerJunk wrote:
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    At least VoA got a few shows in, and UTA would not have had a huuuge travel cost.

    Feel for Omnium/Insomnium the most. All the way to the US from Finland for ONE. SHOW. That would have literally left them tens of thousands out of pocket.
    Not to belittle Insominium Gatherum but they have the fanbase to recuperate and had accrued less costs only touring for a day instead of a week that VoA had. Just look at their respective fundraisers IG had multiple huge donations and hit close to their larger target in no time.
    I don't think you're understanding the financial arrangement. The majority of the costs, like travel to the U.S. and reserving the tour bus, are fixed because they are paid in advance, and the revenue is variable with each show. Then this is recovered by the guarantee and merch sales with each iterative show. More shows = less losses. Less shows = more losses. 5 shows is 5x the opportunity to make money, with no real additional cost (except for fuel, food, booze).

    Not saying VoA doesn't have a bad situation, but their costs didn't go up meaningfully doing more shows. It's like the old joke goes, you can't make up for a negative margin on volume. If more shows was more losses, then every tour would be an absolute financial blowout and there would be no such thing as tours.
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    Re: What bands can be ruled out for 2021?

    by cowboy71 » Tue Mar 17, 2020 5:09 am

    Can rule out GOTTHARD and MAGNUM :( :( :(

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    Re: What bands can be ruled out for 2021?

    by Crawfords Folly » Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:17 pm

    Can you rule out AMON AMARTH?
    Or DIMMU BORGIR?
    would love to see COB
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    Re: What bands can be ruled out for 2021?

    by Pellaz » Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:25 am

    Crawfords Folly wrote:
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    Can you rule out AMON AMARTH?
    Or DIMMU BORGIR?
    would love to see COB
    None of those bands can be officially ruled out, but:

    -- Amon Amarth played 70K the first year, and hasn't returned. They've consistently been one of the highest-requested bands every year lately; at this point we wonder if they are unwilling to perform or if they are asking too much of a guarantee.
    -- Dimmu Borgir has never played the fest. I'd love to see them on 70K but we wonder if they don't want to, etc.
    -- Children of Bodom HAS played (in 2016), but haven't returned. Not sure about their status; I know Alexi has had some health issues. He looked terrible on the boat; he walked past me on the Promenade and I didn't recognize him. Great performances, though.
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    Re: What bands can be ruled out for 2021?

    by mbob » Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:11 pm

    Children of Bodom is officially no more. Alexi did not own the rights to the name and the others called it quits and would not let him use the name. He is starting a new band called Bodom After Midnight.

    Pellaz wrote:
    Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:25 am
    Crawfords Folly wrote:
    Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:17 pm
    Can you rule out AMON AMARTH?
    Or DIMMU BORGIR?
    would love to see COB
    None of those bands can be officially ruled out, but:

    -- Amon Amarth played 70K the first year, and hasn't returned. They've consistently been one of the highest-requested bands every year lately; at this point we wonder if they are unwilling to perform or if they are asking too much of a guarantee.
    -- Dimmu Borgir has never played the fest. I'd love to see them on 70K but we wonder if they don't want to, etc.
    -- Children of Bodom HAS played (in 2016), but haven't returned. Not sure about their status; I know Alexi has had some health issues. He looked terrible on the boat; he walked past me on the Promenade and I didn't recognize him. Great performances, though.
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    Re: What bands can be ruled out for 2021?

    by cholernik » Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:37 am

    is the list on the first post supposed to be updated w/ a master list? It'd be nice if it were, so I could just check that to see if any were added. I haven't been on this thing in months and it'd be nice to just look at that rather than sift through these posts asking if amon amarth are out
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    Re: What bands can be ruled out for 2021?

    by cowboy71 » Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:51 pm

    cholernik wrote:
    Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:37 am
    is the list on the first post supposed to be updated w/ a master list? It'd be nice if it were, so I could just check that to see if any were added. I haven't been on this thing in months and it'd be nice to just look at that rather than sift through these posts asking if amon amarth are out
    Yes - I do try to keep that first post updated with all the subsequent posts to help alleviate that very problem :)
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    Re: What bands can be ruled out for 2021?

    by Pellaz » Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:38 pm

    mbob wrote:
    Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:11 pm
    Children of Bodom is officially no more. Alexi did not own the rights to the name and the others called it quits and would not let him use the name. He is starting a new band called Bodom After Midnight.
    Darn.
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