The Terrorvision set will be 45 minutes because that’s the runtime of the album. Not sure about the other one.
Where did you end up placing Venom?cowboy71 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 5:29 pm Further updates. I don't think there is any argument that both latest additions with get 45 minutes.
At the moment we have 2 x 75 (and 1 special set), 6 x 60, and 11 x 45.
Comparing to 2019 we can possibly expect one more headliner, perhaps 8 more worthy of 60 minutes and the rest 45 minute-ers.
I reckon 60 for them. Maybe they will end up with 75, but going with 60.Downvod wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:25 pmWhere did you end up placing Venom?cowboy71 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 5:29 pm Further updates. I don't think there is any argument that both latest additions with get 45 minutes.
At the moment we have 2 x 75 (and 1 special set), 6 x 60, and 11 x 45.
Comparing to 2019 we can possibly expect one more headliner, perhaps 8 more worthy of 60 minutes and the rest 45 minute-ers.
I think a band has been 'demoted' only once. Testament got 75 minutes in 2011, and 60 minutes in 2017. Lots of promotions though including Iced Earth, Sabaton, Kreator, Eluveitie, Arch Enemy, etc.cowboy71 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:44 pmI reckon 60 for them. Maybe they will end up with 75, but going with 60.Downvod wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:25 pmWhere did you end up placing Venom?cowboy71 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 5:29 pm Further updates. I don't think there is any argument that both latest additions with get 45 minutes.
At the moment we have 2 x 75 (and 1 special set), 6 x 60, and 11 x 45.
Comparing to 2019 we can possibly expect one more headliner, perhaps 8 more worthy of 60 minutes and the rest 45 minute-ers.
Didn't Orphaned Land get dropped from 60 to 45 in 2017?Jotunheimr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:02 pmI think a band has been 'demoted' only once. Testament got 75 minutes in 2011, and 60 minutes in 2017. Lots of promotions though including Iced Earth, Sabaton, Kreator, Eluveitie, Arch Enemy, etc.
Yeah, me too. I've noticed a general lack of enthusiasm for Venom on this go-round.Danny24601 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:11 amDidn't Orphaned Land get dropped from 60 to 45 in 2017?Jotunheimr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:02 pm I think a band has been 'demoted' only once. Testament got 75 minutes in 2011, and 60 minutes in 2017. Lots of promotions though including Iced Earth, Sabaton, Kreator, Eluveitie, Arch Enemy, etc.
That said, my money is on Venom getting 75 minutes, though I'd love to be proven wrong.
I think they only got 60 minutes in 2015 (the same year Venom got 75). Unless you think that MSF and MS Temple of Rock are worth different set times?
Ah, there it is.
This is just pure speculation but I think the headliners will be Emperor, MSF, and Venom. Devin will likely get 60 minutes, which is consistent with his most recent festival appearances. Venom has definitely dropped in popularity among cruisers since they first played in 2012 but I guess Andy still has them up on a pedestal. It’s rare to see a headlining-tier band drop to a 60 minute slot with Testament being the only example that comes to mind (Kamelot and Arch Enemy don’t count because they both started out playing 60-minute sets). Maybe we’ll have more than 3 headliners, like we had in 2011.cowboy71 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:45 am Axxis 45 minutes as that is what they got in 2017.
Do we now reckon that Emperor will still get a 75 minute headline set, given that he is gonna be performing potentially 60 minute sets with Ihsahn as well?
I'm starting to think maybe Emperor will be just 60.
BumpDownvod wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:56 amNot sure what the amount of bands so far announced on Bloodstock has to do with it. Fact is, that festival typically has some big names as headliners... usually bands that are too big for 70k. If Dev is a headliner there, he is very likely to be one on the boat.Jotunheimr wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:53 amKeep in mind that only 14 bands have been confirmed to play Bloodstock. Not that DT isn’t worthy of a headline spot, but there are plenty of bands to be announced including more big names.
It’s not just Bloodstock. Very rarely is he given a headline slot at any festival. Again, it’s not that he doesn’t deserve to headline, he’s just not big enough. If you search for “Devin Townsend live full show” on YouTube, you’ll see that most, if not all, of his sets are 60 minutes or less.Godflesh wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:56 amBumpDownvod wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:56 amNot sure what the amount of bands so far announced on Bloodstock has to do with it. Fact is, that festival typically has some big names as headliners... usually bands that are too big for 70k. If Dev is a headliner there, he is very likely to be one on the boat.Jotunheimr wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:53 am
Keep in mind that only 14 bands have been confirmed to play Bloodstock. Not that DT isn’t worthy of a headline spot, but there are plenty of bands to be announced including more big names.
He played 75mn at Wacken 2014, same as AMON AMARTH, but less than AVANTASIA.Jotunheimr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:13 pmIt’s not just Bloodstock. Very rarely is he given a headline slot at any festival. Again, it’s not that he doesn’t deserve to headline, he’s just not big enough. If you search for “Devin Townsend live full show” on YouTube, you’ll see that most, if not all, of his sets are 60 minutes or less.Godflesh wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:56 amBumpDownvod wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:56 am
Not sure what the amount of bands so far announced on Bloodstock has to do with it. Fact is, that festival typically has some big names as headliners... usually bands that are too big for 70k. If Dev is a headliner there, he is very likely to be one on the boat.
Wow, SCHENKER actually only got 60mn in 2015. And he had 2 original SCORPIONS members.Danny24601 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:37 am Honestly, I think that Emperor is the band I am most certain is headlining, given both their role as first announcement, where they are billed at other fests, and how big a deal their announcement has been online and among my friends. (Ihsahn is a solid 60, I could imagine him getting 75, but not with Emperor on the same boat, and Emp is clearly the bigger of the two projects) The other three I am less certain on.
Venom are classic and influential, but also getting past their best before date, and their lunch is kind of getting stolen by Venom Inc.. Devin Townsend is badass and exciting, but he keeps on changing projects and names and that makes it more difficult for him to cash in on the entirety of his legacy. That said, I do think a career-spanning metal-focused set with SYL songs could be headliner-worthy for sure.
I wonder if folk aren't reading too much into MSF being labelled as getting headline sets. If I recall correctly, Andy has never really used terms like that to differentiate different set lengths (note that on the website bands are just listed alphabetically), with "headline" status being something the fanbase determines based on how long a set they are given. It seem within the realm of possibility to me that Andy would throw the H word around in one of his announcement posts (which he never takes to seriously anyways) without it necessarily referring to a 75 minute set.
I'll throw my guess in as Emperor, MSF, and Devin, but I am quite unsure about that. I would be quite surprised, however, if one of the headliners is yet to be announced.
Indeed! Good opportunity to have like a sit-down dinner or something :)
LMAO, I thought the exact same thing. It is quite obsceneJotunheimr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:53 pm Who knows, MSF might even get 90 minutes considering how big their logo is on the artist page.
It’s interesting that he often books headliners that are ranked pretty low on the wishlist. Do you think he’s trying to sell to a different target consumer (think MORC) in the hopes of selling out faster?cegr80 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:56 pmLMAO, I thought the exact same thing. It is quite obsceneJotunheimr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:53 pm Who knows, MSF might even get 90 minutes considering how big their logo is on the artist page.
An interesting theory! Conversely the Monsters of Rock cruise seems to be getting more and more former 70K bands on their lineup. No less than 5 this year if you include Russell Allen (because surely his presence on MOR cruise, rules out Symphony X on 70k). Perhaps a little bit of "friendly" competition going on there?Jotunheimr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 3:50 pmIt’s interesting that he often books headliners that are ranked pretty low on the wishlist. Do you think he’s trying to sell to a different target consumer (think MORC) in the hopes of selling out faster?cegr80 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:56 pmLMAO, I thought the exact same thing. It is quite obsceneJotunheimr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:53 pm Who knows, MSF might even get 90 minutes considering how big their logo is on the artist page.
If so, it isn't working too well, is it?Jotunheimr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 3:50 pmIt’s interesting that he often books headliners that are ranked pretty low on the wishlist. Do you think he’s trying to sell to a different target consumer (think MORC) in the hopes of selling out faster?cegr80 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:56 pmLMAO, I thought the exact same thing. It is quite obsceneJotunheimr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:53 pm Who knows, MSF might even get 90 minutes considering how big their logo is on the artist page.
It's important to remember that we forum folk (or anyone who spends a lot of time online) are not completely representative of the 70k population. I think we trend more strongly towards folk/melodeath and less towards brutal death, trad/dad metal, and whatnot. I suspect that among cruise-goers as an average, MSF will be much more popular than Aether Realm, for example. Andy books bands to appeal to the audience as a whole, not just to those of us who are loud on the internet.Jotunheimr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 3:50 pmIt’s interesting that he often books headliners that are ranked pretty low on the wishlist. Do you think he’s trying to sell to a different target consumer (think MORC) in the hopes of selling out faster?cegr80 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:56 pmLMAO, I thought the exact same thing. It is quite obsceneJotunheimr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:53 pm Who knows, MSF might even get 90 minutes considering how big their logo is on the artist page.
Yes, but OL only got 45 minute sets in 2017 and very average 'middle of the day' slots at that. So I'm using that as a guideline.Jotunheimr wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:41 pm Orphaned Land got 60 minutes in 2012 and 2014, no? Carach Angren will get 45 again, I guess.
Yeah OL are kinda hard to predict here. They've released a successful new record and toured a lot since 2017 though, and I think their profile has been raised by that. On the other hand, their last major NA tour was opening for Tyr, who only get 45 min round here.Jotunheimr wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:41 pm Orphaned Land got 60 minutes in 2012 and 2014, no? Carach Angren will get 45 again, I guess.
Good call!cowboy71 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:45 pmYes, but OL only got 45 minute sets in 2017 and very average 'middle of the day' slots at that. So I'm using that as a guideline.Jotunheimr wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:41 pm Orphaned Land got 60 minutes in 2012 and 2014, no? Carach Angren will get 45 again, I guess.
Yeah I don't understand either why Tyr only ever get 45 minutes on the boat - their shows, (hell even on the very first 70k!) are always every bit as packed if not more so, than bands that get 60.Danny24601 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:48 pm
More important question, why does Tyr only ever get 45 min? They seem far more popular round these parts than bands like Kalmah who get 60 min. And I love them to death.
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