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    Re: The BARGE TO HELL Is Coming!

    by KDibildeaux » Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:53 pm

    KevinP wrote:
    KDibildeaux wrote:This is what you call superior content? :roll:


    Yup. Nothing you've posted matches the near genius of this one :lol: :P :lol:

    :roll: :roll: :roll:
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    Re: The BARGE TO HELL Is Coming!

    by Ogre » Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:26 pm

    KDibildeaux wrote:
    KevinP wrote:
    KDibildeaux wrote:This is what you call superior content? :roll:


    Yup. Nothing you've posted matches the near genius of this one :lol: :P :lol:

    :roll: :roll: :roll:

    "Genius" can be a subjective term.
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    by DemonNIN » Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:38 pm

    Ogre wrote:
    Stained Class wrote: I think it'll either but a metalcore/nu metal cruise so that those ppl get their own cruise


    They could have that cruise on a dingy and it wouldn't sell out.



    LOL love that post :lol: :lol:
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    Re: The BARGE TO HELL Is Coming!

    by KevinP » Tue Feb 14, 2012 5:23 am

    Alright, band announcement already will ya :twisted: :P :twisted:
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    Re: The BARGE TO HELL Is Coming!

    by Stained Class » Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:35 am

    KevinP wrote:Alright, band announcement already will ya :twisted: :P :twisted:

    Dude, it's like 290 days away or something. If you start getting impatient now it's gonna be a looooong year.
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    Re: The BARGE TO HELL Is Coming!

    by KevinP » Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:09 am

    Stained Class wrote:
    KevinP wrote:Alright, band announcement already will ya :twisted: :P :twisted:

    Dude, it's like 290 days away or something. If you start getting impatient now it's gonna be a looooong year.


    Stop being Canadian :P
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    Re: The BARGE TO HELL Is Coming!

    by Stained Class » Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:13 am

    KevinP wrote:
    Stained Class wrote:
    KevinP wrote:Alright, band announcement already will ya :twisted: :P :twisted:

    Dude, it's like 290 days away or something. If you start getting impatient now it's gonna be a looooong year.


    Stop being Canadian :P

    Stop being dumb :P
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    Re: The BARGE TO HELL Is Coming!

    by TOM CRUISE » Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:51 am

    :lol: :lol: :lol:
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    Re: The BARGE TO HELL Is Coming!

    by KDibildeaux » Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:29 pm

    Stained Class wrote:
    KevinP wrote:Stop being Canadian :P

    Stop being dumb :P

    :lol: :lol: :lol:
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    by WizardBeast » Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:44 pm

    KDibildeaux wrote:
    Stained Class wrote:
    KevinP wrote:Stop being Canadian :P

    Stop being dumb :P

    :lol: :lol: :lol:


    JOEEEEYY! very nice zinger.
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    by cowboy71 » Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:28 pm

    Stained Class wrote:
    KevinP wrote:Alright, band announcement already will ya :twisted: :P :twisted:

    Dude, it's like 290 days away or something. If you start getting impatient now it's gonna be a looooong year.

    First announcement for 70K 2012 occurred on 18th April 2011. 280 days out from setsail date.


    So if you used that for a guide we're probably still a couple of weeks away from the first announcement for BTH.
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    Re: The BARGE TO HELL Is Coming!

    by WizardBeast » Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:49 pm

    cowboy71 wrote:
    Stained Class wrote:
    KevinP wrote:Alright, band announcement already will ya :twisted: :P :twisted:

    Dude, it's like 290 days away or something. If you start getting impatient now it's gonna be a looooong year.

    First announcement for 70K 2012 occurred on 18th April 2011. 280 days out from setsail date.


    So if you used that for a guide we're probably still a couple of weeks away from the first announcement for BTH.


    ooh thanks for the data, statsman!
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    by Evican » Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:48 pm

    Statsman to the rescue!
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    by WallieWallie » Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:05 am

    Memnoch wrote:Hmm, what could I offer for a Hail of Bullets announcement for Barge (other than Dramamine for Martin that is)?

    As I had a chat back in November with Martin about HoB on 70KToM...MONEY!!!

    Evican wrote:Statsman to the rescue!

    Aye, the statsman is just one post away of a LEET amount of posts!!!
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    by cowboy71 » Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:12 am

    WallieWallie wrote:
    Memnoch wrote:Hmm, what could I offer for a Hail of Bullets announcement for Barge (other than Dramamine for Martin that is)?

    As I had a chat back in November with Martin about HoB on 70KToM...MONEY!!!

    Evican wrote:Statsman to the rescue!

    Aye, the statsman is just one post away of a LEET amount of posts!!!

    HAHAHA - When I read that I thought it said LEFT. "A left amount of posts? WTF does that mean? :shock:

    *facepalm*

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    by WallieWallie » Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:36 am

    cowboy71 wrote:HAHAHA - When I read that I thought it said LEFT. "A left amount of posts? WTF does that mean? :shock:

    *facepalm*

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    by Evican » Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:54 am

    WallieWallie wrote:Aye, the statsman is just one post away of a LEET amount of posts!!!

    Hah,I actually know what that is!


    But only because our derby refs are nerds. :P
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    by TOM CRUISE » Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:26 am

    What if they announce BTH and 70K 13 at the same time ??? :?
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    by mooyagi » Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:28 am

    TOM CRUISE wrote:What if they announce BTH and 70K 13 at the same time ??? :?


    Guessing it depends on the timeframe. If 70K 2013 is in January, it puts it real close to BtH so it would make sense to promote both at the same time. Heck, even if 70K gets pushed back to later in the year I wouldn't mind them at least giving us the dates and a couple of bands at the same time as the first BtH announcement, then they can focus on BtH for a little bit.
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    by KevinP » Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:57 pm

    mooyagi wrote:
    TOM CRUISE wrote:What if they announce BTH and 70K 13 at the same time ??? :?


    Guessing it depends on the timeframe. If 70K 2013 is in January, it puts it real close to BtH so it would make sense to promote both at the same time. Heck, even if 70K gets pushed back to later in the year I wouldn't mind them at least giving us the dates and a couple of bands at the same time as the first BtH announcement, then they can focus on BtH for a little bit.


    that seems borderline suicidal, cause you are making your customer base CHOOSE. The further they are spaced out, the greater chance you have for overlap clientele. And let's face facts, its' not like this thing sells out in 3 months time, so you need those repeat customers.

    My GUESS is that BARGE is a 1 off event at this time, barring it's success, it could become yearly :mrgreen:
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    by TOM CRUISE » Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:03 pm

    KevinP wrote:
    mooyagi wrote:
    TOM CRUISE wrote:What if they announce BTH and 70K 13 at the same time ??? :?


    Guessing it depends on the timeframe. If 70K 2013 is in January, it puts it real close to BtH so it would make sense to promote both at the same time. Heck, even if 70K gets pushed back to later in the year I wouldn't mind them at least giving us the dates and a couple of bands at the same time as the first BtH announcement, then they can focus on BtH for a little bit.


    that seems borderline suicidal, cause you are making your customer base CHOOSE. The further they are spaced out, the greater chance you have for overlap clientele. And let's face facts, its' not like this thing sells out in 3 months time, so you need those repeat customers.

    My GUESS is that BARGE is a 1 off event at this time, barring it's success, it could become yearly :mrgreen:

    yeah bingo. how hard will it be to choose depends on the line ups
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    Re: The BARGE TO HELL Is Coming!

    by mooyagi » Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:03 pm

    KevinP wrote:
    mooyagi wrote:
    TOM CRUISE wrote:What if they announce BTH and 70K 13 at the same time ??? :?


    Guessing it depends on the timeframe. If 70K 2013 is in January, it puts it real close to BtH so it would make sense to promote both at the same time. Heck, even if 70K gets pushed back to later in the year I wouldn't mind them at least giving us the dates and a couple of bands at the same time as the first BtH announcement, then they can focus on BtH for a little bit.


    that seems borderline suicidal, cause you are making your customer base CHOOSE. The further they are spaced out, the greater chance you have for overlap clientele. And let's face facts, its' not like this thing sells out in 3 months time, so you need those repeat customers.

    My GUESS is that BARGE is a 1 off event at this time, barring it's success, it could become yearly :mrgreen:


    I'm just saying if Barge and 70K are close in time, they would need the whole year to market both so they would be done together. If 70K is pushed back in time, then of course I expect them to focus on Barge and put 70K on the backburner for a bit. Some people do have to choose, btw. I wouldn't be surprised if a majority of the customers are waiting to see the lineups to decide which to attend because they can't swing both due to money/vacation/other plans/etc and in that case it makes sense to promote them both at once.
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    by rootleaf » Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:13 pm

    KevinP wrote:
    mooyagi wrote:
    TOM CRUISE wrote:What if they announce BTH and 70K 13 at the same time ??? :?


    Guessing it depends on the timeframe. If 70K 2013 is in January, it puts it real close to BtH so it would make sense to promote both at the same time. Heck, even if 70K gets pushed back to later in the year I wouldn't mind them at least giving us the dates and a couple of bands at the same time as the first BtH announcement, then they can focus on BtH for a little bit.


    that seems borderline suicidal, cause you are making your customer base CHOOSE. The further they are spaced out, the greater chance you have for overlap clientele. And let's face facts, its' not like this thing sells out in 3 months time, so you need those repeat customers.

    My GUESS is that BARGE is a 1 off event at this time, barring it's success, it could become yearly :mrgreen:


    I HOPE it is not because if I had to CHOOSE based on rumored lineups I would easily pick BtH. Due to school though I have no way that I can do it this year though. And they need to keep the mix on 70K the same as it is now because if it were to go to all power metal I'd probably have to skip it too.
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    by KDibildeaux » Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:53 pm

    I hope they announce a few bands from both so people can make more of an educated choice
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    KDibildeaux wrote:I hope they announce a few bands from both so people can make more of an educated choice

    Now that would be too logical! :roll:
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    by KDibildeaux » Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:19 pm

    Evican wrote:
    KDibildeaux wrote:I hope they announce a few bands from both so people can make more of an educated choice

    Now that would be too logical! :roll:

    Very probably :lol:
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    by rwalters » Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:25 pm

    Completely agree with everything Drinkmoxie was saying a page ago about metalcore / nu metal not working at all.

    I'm pretty sure the kids that bought the debut albums from Hed(pe), Primer 55, and Dope weren't exactly hip to Of One Blood by Shadows Fall or Courting Disaster and Tragedy by Himsa. I'm also a supporter of Swallow the Sun, Protest the Hero, and As I Lay Dying. As I Lay Dying has been particularlly surprising over the last 5 year. They really rounded into a pretty good band.

    Also, before the poser comments follow.... I also want to point out that I find liking a band like Powerwolf just as embarassing as you think liking a band like Protest the Hero is. :)
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    by Memnoch » Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:25 am

    mooyagi wrote:
    TOM CRUISE wrote:What if they announce BTH and 70K 13 at the same time ??? :?


    Guessing it depends on the timeframe. If 70K 2013 is in January, it puts it real close to BtH so it would make sense to promote both at the same time. Heck, even if 70K gets pushed back to later in the year I wouldn't mind them at least giving us the dates and a couple of bands at the same time as the first BtH announcement, then they can focus on BtH for a little bit.


    In this article of the Finnish mag Inferno the reporter says that 70k is at the same time next year. It might be that he's gotten the wrong impression though.
    A good article btw, the title translates to something like "70,000 tons of awesome". :D
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    by KevinP » Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:57 am

    rwalters wrote:Also, before the poser comments follow.... I also want to point out that I find liking a band like Powerwolf just as embarassing as you think liking a band like Protest the Hero is. :)


    I find Powerwolf much more listenable and more apt for a live setting than PTH, AILY and other of those other new jack 3/4 word band names that spawned in the past decade :mrgreen:

    P.S. - Never be embarrassed about what you enjoy. Unless of course you are a hairy Finnish boy obsessed with "girlie metal" :lol: :lol: :lol:
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    by KevinP » Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:35 am

    gnoff wrote:And I'm fairly sure Kevin will let me be for all those bands, except for Pantera :lol:


    Everyone has their missteps in life :mrgreen:
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    by rwalters » Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:10 am

    KevinP wrote:I find Powerwolf much more listenable and more apt for a live setting than PTH, AILY and other of those other new jack 3/4 word band names that spawned in the past decade :mrgreen:

    P.S. - Never be embarrassed about what you enjoy. Unless of course you are a hairy Finnish boy obsessed with "girlie metal" :lol: :lol: :lol:


    That depends in what you want in a live show. If you want a stand still crowd singing cheese like DY-DY-DYNAMITE watching a bunch of dudes in drag, Kiss makeup, and potentially chainmail, then that's all you. I prefer metal shows like this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cR6_vSt6K_Q

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    Also, does more listenable = more generic and poppy?

    Protest the Hero play circles around most bands while still bringing a ton of energy live along with writing good songs.
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    by Stained Class » Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:17 am

    rwalters wrote:I prefer metal shows like this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cR6_vSt6K_Q

    Sounds like they are playing a Slayer song. Is that one of theirs? Still can't handle his voice though :lol:
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    Re: The BARGE TO HELL Is Coming!

    by rwalters » Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:22 am

    Yeah, that is theirs. They churn out 3 pure thrash tracks per album now. Speaking of Slayer.... They did just release a cover of War Ensemble and while that doesn't really work for me, at least their heads are in the right place :lol:

    I don't really understand how his vocals are any worse/different than from something like Omnium Gatherum. Maybe a little bit more hardcore/energetic as opposed to the more european Tales From a Thousand Lakes style.
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    Re: The BARGE TO HELL Is Coming!

    by Stained Class » Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:25 am

    rwalters wrote:Yeah, that is theirs. They churn out 3 pure thrash tracks per album now. Speaking of Slayer.... They did just release a cover of War Ensemble and while that doesn't really work for me, at least their heads are in the right place :lol:

    Interesting. Maybe I don't hate them as much as I used to. Are they slowly moving towards thrash? I think it'd be awesome of they just suddenly came out with a pure thrash album and converted a bunch of their fans over to thrash :lol:

    Edit: then again I guess it shouldn't be that surprising since Austrian Death Machine is pretty much all thrash.
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    by rwalters » Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:36 am

    They won't do a pure thrash album. They are gonna stick with a variety. I think thrash has made a huge comeback in the U.S. Old and new.

    I just went to the Anthrax/Testament/Death Angel show here in Ohio and it was sold out (shocking) and a huge variety of people there.

    I remember Testament played in front of 250 people in 1999 when The Gathering came out and Anthrax in mid 2000s playing in front of maybe 400. Now we have a sold out 1200 venue. I'm so happy for them. I know alot of this is due to the Big 4 thing, but it's still great to see.

    Overkill getting these full U.S. Tours is a sign too. It's really cool even though I'm not the biggest Overkill guy in the world.
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    Re: The BARGE TO HELL Is Coming!

    by mooyagi » Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:03 am

    rwalters wrote:If you want a stand still crowd singing cheese like DY-DY-DYNAMITE watching a bunch of dudes in drag, Kiss makeup, and potentially chainmail, then that's all you.


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    by DrinkMoxie » Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:53 am

    I dunno if you actually agree so much with me rwalters.
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    Re: The BARGE TO HELL Is Coming!

    by Stained Class » Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:43 am

    I really like Powerwolf, Protest the Hero and Austrian Death Machine. Do I win?
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    Re: The BARGE TO HELL Is Coming!

    by TOM CRUISE » Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:26 pm

    gnoff wrote:Bloodbatch (with Peter T singing)


    is Bloodbatch some sort of hybrid hypocrisy like "The Abyss" were ? The Abyss were great !! :D
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    by WizardBeast » Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:41 pm

    TOM CRUISE wrote:
    gnoff wrote:Bloodbatch (with Peter T singing)


    is Bloodbatch some sort of hybrid hypocrisy like "The Abyss" were ? The Abyss were great !! :D


    Bwahahaha, Bloodbatch....i think it's what Tagtgren drinks each night before bed....since he's an alien 'n shit.
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