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Re: How fast will 2018 sell out?

by deathmetalpat » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:10 pm

This was bound to happen with the much better ship.Every cruiser at Gold and Silver got a code so a 1 quad from last year could result in 4 cabins being bought add the girlfriend:boyfriend/ wife:husband/ kids factor and boom sells out.This is now a vacation-fraternity-music event.
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Re: How fast will 2018 sell out?

by Phoenix » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:23 pm

From exactly a year ago:

cowboy71 wrote:Interior L now gone - Promenade the only interior type left available.

Type / Double / Triple / Quad / Quin/ SEX / Sept / Oct /
Interior N / 73 /
Interior M / 128 /
Interior L / 141 /
Interior K / 3 / 1 / 177
Promenade PR / 166 /
Family Interior FI / / / / / / 2 /
Promenade Family FP / / / / / /4 /
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Ocean View I / 66 / / /
Ocean View H / 42 / / /
Ocean View G / / / 100 /
Large Ocean View F / 14 / 2 / /
Family Ocean View FO / / / / / 10 /
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Deluxe Balcony E3 / 185 /
Deluxe Balcony E2 / 52 /
Deluxe Balcony E1 / / 83 / 8 /
Superior Balcony D3 / 191 /
Superior Balcony D2 / 102 /
Superior Balcony D1 / ? / ? / 89 /
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Junior Suite JS / 56 / ? / 22 /
Grand Suite GS / / / 22 /
Royal Family Suite FS / / / / / / / 4 /
Owner Suite OS / / / 8 /

Total Cabins: 1751
Number of Cabins in Sold Out Categories: 886

Actual official cabin count from 70K press sheet:
Total number of cabins = 1817
Ocean View: 1084 (842 with balconies) / Interior: 733 (172 with promenade view)
out of those there are 855 with third/fourth berths and 32 are wheelchair accessible


This was about 5 days after silver opened up, there were 13 categories (I think? it's hard to read in the preview) available.

I was going to come and make a post about this happening last year but, yeah, it's actually selling a lot faster this time.
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Re: How fast will 2018 sell out?

by cowboy71 » Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:31 pm

Ocean View H Gone.

Grand Suite GS Gone.

Type / Double / Triple / Quad / Quin/ SEX / Sept / Oct /
Interior N / 73 /
Interior M / 128 /
Interior L / 141 /
Interior K / 3 / 1 / 177
Promenade PR / 168 /
Family Interior FI / / / / / / 2 /
Promenade Family FP / / / / / /4 /
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Ocean View I / 66 / / /
Ocean View H / 42 / / /
Ocean View G / ? / ? / 100 /
Large Ocean View F / 14 / 2 / ? /
Family Ocean View FO / / / ? / ? / 10 /
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Deluxe Balcony E3 / 185 /
Deluxe Balcony E2 / 52 /
Deluxe Balcony E1 / ? / 83 / 8 /
Superior Balcony D3 / 191 /
Superior Balcony D2 / 102 /
Superior Balcony D1 / ? / ? / 89 /
--------------------------------------------------------
Junior Suite JS / 56 / ? / 22 /
Grand Suite GS / ? / ? / 22 /
Royal Family Suite FS / / / ? / ? / ? / ? / 4 /
Owner Suite OS / ? / ? / 8 /

Total Cabins: 1753
Number of Cabins in Sold Out Categories: 1236
***** - marked as sold out previously, so only a few available at most

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Total number of cabins = 1817
Ocean View: 1084 (842 with balconies) / Interior: 733 (172 with promenade view)
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Re: How fast will 2018 sell out?

by Evican » Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:43 am

Do we know which year sold out the quickest? And if this year is going to break that record?
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Re: How fast will 2018 sell out?

by bodomdragon » Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:54 am

Evican wrote:Do we know which year sold out the quickest? And if this year is going to break that record?

Every year the "sold out" message was sent just a few hours/days before the departure date. Many people think that it was not an actual sell-out, but rather that at that point they could not sell any more tickets, but only UMC knows.

So, basically, we have never seen a real-or-not sold-out more than two-three days before departure. At the current pace it seems safe to say that this year it might happen for the first time.
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Re: How fast will 2018 sell out?

by deathmetalpat » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:00 pm

Evican wrote:Do we know which year sold out the quickest? And if this year is going to break that record?

It depends on the definition of "selling out " is ,they close sales with 3 days to go about.That has been labeled a sell-out but due to regulations and 70k being busy,you really could not buy a ticket ( chartered cruise,manifest issues and last minute booking PITA for 70k).2012 had the best sales of expensive cabins (Nightwish parents ) but until this year those where always available to public.Hard to tell how many cabins are left because the Promenade level at 168 units is a way overpriced option.Never meet anyone who booked that cabin,same size interior (standard interior) with light.I think there was one true sellout but in January with late January sail date.
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Re: How fast will 2018 sell out?

by Evican » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:18 pm

deathmetalpat wrote:
Evican wrote:Do we know which year sold out the quickest? And if this year is going to break that record?

It depends on the definition of "selling out " is ,they close sales with 3 days to go about.That has been labeled a sell-out but due to regulations and 70k being busy,you really could not buy a ticket ( chartered cruise,manifest issues and last minute booking PITA for 70k).2012 had the best sales of expensive cabins (Nightwish parents ) but until this year those where always available to public.Hard to tell how many cabins are left because the Promenade level at 168 units is a way overpriced option.Never meet anyone who booked that cabin,same size interior (standard interior) with light.I think there was one true sellout but in January with late January sail date.

Yes! I remember seeing more (or just children in general) on 2012 and they can almost certainly be attributed to Nightwish.

True, I remember seeing "SOLD OUT" for the cruises but totally forgot when exactly those images surfaced. Always days before sailing date, you are correct.
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Re: How fast will 2018 sell out?

by Downvod » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:47 pm

deathmetalpat wrote:
Evican wrote:Do we know which year sold out the quickest? And if this year is going to break that record?

Hard to tell how many cabins are left because the Promenade level at 168 units is a way overpriced option.Never meet anyone who booked that cabin,same size interior (standard interior) with light.I think there was one true sellout but in January with late January sail date.


I booked a Promenade room my first year just to get on the boat. It was pretty much the only option in December, lol.
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Re: How fast will 2018 sell out?

by Pellaz » Wed Jul 19, 2017 3:42 pm

deathmetalpat wrote:Promenade Cabin - Double/Twin will be last category,a very over-priced interior cabin,70k is stuck with Royal Caribbean price structure.


At least the metalheads who have to settle for a Promenade PR Interior on 70K will have LESS noise to deal with than on a regular Royal cruise. :shock: Royal Caribbean does some sort of dance parade crap down the Promenade late at night that's REALLY loud.
Ever wonder what that lighting and production stuff is along the Promenade? Yeah, that'd be annoying at midnight. :lol:

(Then again, no-one ever sleeps anyway during 70k, so.....)
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Re: How fast will 2018 sell out?

by deathmetalpat » Fri Jul 21, 2017 6:21 pm

Pellaz wrote:
deathmetalpat wrote:Promenade Cabin - Double/Twin will be last category,a very over-priced interior cabin,70k is stuck with Royal Caribbean price structure.


At least the metalheads who have to settle for a Promenade PR Interior on 70K will have LESS noise to deal with than on a regular Royal cruise. :shock: Royal Caribbean does some sort of dance parade crap down the Promenade late at night that's REALLY loud.
Ever wonder what that lighting and production stuff is along the Promenade? Yeah, that'd be annoying at midnight. :lol:

(Then again, no-one ever sleeps anyway during 70k, so.....)

I looked though some YouTube videos and yeah that would be a negative.
So since the Promenade level is going to make up a vast majority of public sales ,some positives.
1)Good central location and as a new person on the ship finding your cabin will be easy
2)Near the center of motion on the ship,bad weather will effect you the least if.
3)Light ,had interior room once and super dark with no lights.At least there is a window
4) Band spotting,might be able to spot some people from your room ,if you like to chase down selfies.
5)Quiet on this cruise,not near any venue noise.
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Re: How fast will 2018 sell out?

by cowboy71 » Sat Jul 22, 2017 4:29 am

Not only good for spotting bands, good for spotting friends too :)

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Re: How fast will 2018 sell out?

by sara » Sat Jul 22, 2017 6:51 am

Is it just me, or are there really few categories left? Men's single tickets look almost gone, especially. Or do they open up more tickets once they get to public sales?

This is really beyond my expectations. I've never seen so many rooms booked up this early before. Good thing I have my gold!
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Re: How fast will 2018 sell out?

by Mark » Sat Jul 22, 2017 8:43 am

If Andy didn't hold back some cabins in each category (and I don't think he did) we are closer to being sold out than we where 3 weeks before the cruise last time around.
I guess that's why the announcements stopped so soon.
I don't think it's a problem if you have to pay a premium to get on the boat for your first time, but if you can't get on the boat if you haven't been before...that's probably problematic.
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by DrinkMoxie » Sat Jul 22, 2017 9:01 am

Mark wrote:If Andy didn't hold back some cabins in each category (and I don't think he did) we are closer to being sold out than we where 3 weeks before the cruise last time around.
I guess that's why the announcements stopped so soon.
I don't think it's a problem if you have to pay a premium to get on the boat for your first time, but if you can't get on the boat if you haven't been before...that's probably problematic.

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Re: How fast will 2018 sell out?

by Pellaz » Sat Jul 22, 2017 4:19 pm

deathmetalpat wrote:
Pellaz wrote:
At least the metalheads who have to settle for a Promenade PR Interior on 70K will have LESS noise to deal with than on a regular Royal cruise. :shock: Royal Caribbean does some sort of dance parade crap down the Promenade late at night that's REALLY loud.
Ever wonder what that lighting and production stuff is along the Promenade? Yeah, that'd be annoying at midnight. :lol:

(Then again, no-one ever sleeps anyway during 70k, so.....)

I looked though some YouTube videos and yeah that would be a negative.
So since the Promenade level is going to make up a vast majority of public sales ,some positives.
1)Good central location and as a new person on the ship finding your cabin will be easy
2)Near the center of motion on the ship,bad weather will effect you the least if.
3)Light ,had interior room once and super dark with no lights.At least there is a window
4) Band spotting,might be able to spot some people from your room ,if you like to chase down selfies.
5)Quiet on this cruise,not near any venue noise.


6) Someone -- maybe a 70K newbie -- will get Promenade Interior room #6305....the legendary Ben & Jerry's "Sweet." Aka, the "Cow Butt Cabin." :lol:
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Re: How fast will 2018 sell out?

by deathmetalpat » Sat Jul 22, 2017 6:05 pm

Pellaz wrote:
deathmetalpat wrote:
Pellaz wrote:
At least the metalheads who have to settle for a Promenade PR Interior on 70K will have LESS noise to deal with than on a regular Royal cruise. :shock: Royal Caribbean does some sort of dance parade crap down the Promenade late at night that's REALLY loud.
Ever wonder what that lighting and production stuff is along the Promenade? Yeah, that'd be annoying at midnight. :lol:

(Then again, no-one ever sleeps anyway during 70k, so.....)

I looked though some YouTube videos and yeah that would be a negative.
So since the Promenade level is going to make up a vast majority of public sales ,some positives.
1)Good central location and as a new person on the ship finding your cabin will be easy
2)Near the center of motion on the ship,bad weather will effect you the least if.
3)Light ,had interior room once and super dark with no lights.At least there is a window
4) Band spotting,might be able to spot some people from your room ,if you like to chase down selfies.
5)Quiet on this cruise,not near any venue noise.


6) Someone -- maybe a 70K newbie -- will get Promenade Interior room #6305....the legendary Ben & Jerry's "Sweet." Aka, the "Cow Butt Cabin." :lol:

FREE ICE CREAM FROM BEN AND JERRYS! (Has anyone got this cabin ever?)
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Re: How fast will 2018 sell out?

by mooyagi » Sat Jul 22, 2017 8:14 pm

deathmetalpat wrote:
Pellaz wrote:6) Someone -- maybe a 70K newbie -- will get Promenade Interior room #6305....the legendary Ben & Jerry's "Sweet." Aka, the "Cow Butt Cabin." :lol:

FREE ICE CREAM FROM BEN AND JERRYS! (Has anyone got this cabin ever?)
https://youtu.be/lJg4gOptzhQ


That's a pretty sweet deal!
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Re: How fast will 2018 sell out?

by Pellaz » Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:04 am

mooyagi wrote:
deathmetalpat wrote:
Pellaz wrote:6) Someone -- maybe a 70K newbie -- will get Promenade Interior room #6305....the legendary Ben & Jerry's "Sweet." Aka, the "Cow Butt Cabin." :lol:

FREE ICE CREAM FROM BEN AND JERRYS! (Has anyone got this cabin ever?)
https://youtu.be/lJg4gOptzhQ


That's a pretty sweet deal!


I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE.

Also, I think the deal has changed within the last few years where you get a daily ice-cream "credit," so it's not quite unlimited like it was before. You DO still get access to the cow-ncierge lounge, so it's a pretty "suite" deal as well. :lol:
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by Pamela » Sat Jul 29, 2017 3:30 pm

As far as 'selling out' goes, I think it technically has truly sold out, even oversold every year according to the Press stats.

on the Majesty they said there would be 2000 passengers:

2011 -2038 guests/passengers (on all stats musicians and staff are listed separate)
2012 - 2051 guests
2013- 2037 guests
2014 - 2051 guests

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2017 -3022 guests

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by Godflesh » Sat Jul 29, 2017 10:42 pm

Pamela wrote:As far as 'selling out' goes, I think it technically has truly sold out, even oversold every year according to the Press stats.

on the Majesty they said there would be 2000 passengers:

2011 -2038 guests/passengers (on all stats musicians and staff are listed separate)
2012 - 2051 guests
2013- 2037 guests
2014 - 2051 guests

on the larger boats with "3000" passengers/guests:

2015 - 3014 guests
2016 -3007 guests
2017 -3022 guests

Gotta love the Boat.

The boat can hold 4370 passengers so about 400 more (guest+musicians) each year, but I'm guessing some cabins are required to hold equipment and beer.
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by deathmetalpat » Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:38 pm

Pamela wrote:As far as 'selling out' goes, I think it technically has truly sold out, even oversold every year according to the Press stats.

on the Majesty they said there would be 2000 passengers:

2011 -2038 guests/passengers (on all stats musicians and staff are listed separate)
2012 - 2051 guests
2013- 2037 guests
2014 - 2051 guests

on the larger boats with "3000" passengers/guests:

2015 - 3014 guests
2016 -3007 guests
2017 -3022 guests

Gotta love the Boat.

Selling out refers to the inability to buy a ticket from UMC,there has always been opportunities to buy tickets up until the very last minute in all but one year.Booking has to close 3 days before hand ,look at BTH http://www.bargetohell.com/ for an example.That boat was only like half full from what people have told me.Now an empty bed buys no beer ( excursions ,food etc.) so take those "guests " as paying and non-paying.
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by Hoppy McGee » Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:21 am

20 minutes into public sales and all that is left is a couple of the more expensive balcony cabins. Single male tickets look to be completely sold out. Looks like 70k is indeed going to sell out way sooner than usual this year!
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by DragonLordJones » Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:23 am

Hoppy McGee wrote:20 minutes into public sales and all that is left is a couple of the more expensive balcony cabins. Single male tickets look to be completely sold out. Looks like 70k is indeed going to sell out way sooner than usual this year!


still a couple single female spots open ... come on ladies - enough slacking here :lol: :beerhorns: :givebeer:
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DragonLordJones wrote:
still a couple single female spots open ... come on ladies - enough slacking here :lol: :beerhorns: :givebeer:

I'm only one person :boobs:
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Wow. My co-traveler (a 7 time vet, I think? including BTH) has always waited until late in the year to purchase, prior to this year. Usually a single ticket or one purchased from someone on the forum who had an extra berth. I'm so glad I didn't listen to him this year, and we purchased early! Phew. Last year, we were both able to purchase singles in late December with no problem. Crazy that it might really, truly sell out this year! :3drunks:
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Only D2 Superior Balcony left now ,see told you they knew cabins would sell out easy.
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From what I see, there are two categories of cabins left, and two categories left for you to buy single female tickets.

Not bad.
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Phoenix wrote:From what I see, there are two categories of cabins left, and two categories left for you to buy single female tickets.

Not bad.

Missed Superior Balcony,I think because of passenger restriction it could hold 3 or 4 but UMC can’t sell it as that.Single guys gone and 2 single girls as you said.
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D2 and JS only private rooms left.

Type / Double / Triple / Quad / Quin/ SEX / Sept / Oct /
Interior N / 73 /
Interior M / 128 /
Interior L / 141 /
Interior K / 3 / 1 / 177
Promenade PR / 168 /
Family Interior FI / / / / / / 2 /
Promenade Family FP / / / / / /4 /
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Ocean View I / 66 / / /
Ocean View H / 42 / / /
Ocean View G / ? / ? / 100 /
Large Ocean View F / 14 / 2 / ? /
Family Ocean View FO / / / ? / ? / 10 /
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Deluxe Balcony E3 / 185 /
Deluxe Balcony E2 / 52 /
Deluxe Balcony E1 / ? / 83 / 8 /
Superior Balcony D3 / 191 /
Superior Balcony D2 / 102 /
Superior Balcony D1 / ? / ? / 89 /
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Junior Suite JS / 56 / ? / 22 /
Grand Suite GS / ? / ? / 22 /
Royal Family Suite FS / / / ? / ? / ? / ? / 4 /
Owner Suite OS / ? / ? / 8 /

Total Cabins: 1753
Number of Cabins in Sold Out Categories: 1595
***** - marked as sold out previously, so only a few available at most

Actual official cabin count from 70K press sheet:
Total number of cabins = 1817
Ocean View: 1084 (842 with balconies) / Interior: 733 (172 with promenade view)
out of those there are 855 with third/fourth berths and 32 are wheelchair accessible
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by bodomdragon » Fri Sep 22, 2017 5:10 am

JS gone, only D2 left. We might be just a few hours away from the sold-out.

...However, they don't know how many spots they need to reserve for the remaining 34 bands, so maybe they have more single tickets to sell in the future?
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bodomdragon wrote:JS gone, only D2 left. We might be just a few hours away from the sold-out.

...However, they don't know how many spots they need to reserve for the remaining 34 bands, so maybe they have more single tickets to sell in the future?

There are always empty cabins on this cruise because it has a very high number of quads and triples compared to other sailings.Muster station rules limit the number of people in one part of the ship.UMC wants a sell-out so next year they can sell-out even quicker,scarcity of cabins pushes people to not wait to book.
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ALL. GONE.

Type / Double / Triple / Quad / Quin/ SEX / Sept / Oct /
Interior N / 73 /
Interior M / 128 /
Interior L / 141 /
Interior K / 3 / 1 / 177
Promenade PR / 168 /
Family Interior FI / / / / / / 2 /
Promenade Family FP / / / / / /4 /
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Ocean View I / 66 / / /
Ocean View H / 42 / / /
Ocean View G / ? / ? / 100 /
Large Ocean View F / 14 / 2 / ? /
Family Ocean View FO / / / ? / ? / 10 /
--------------------------------------------------------
Deluxe Balcony E3 / 185 /
Deluxe Balcony E2 / 52 /
Deluxe Balcony E1 / ? / 83 / 8 /
Superior Balcony D3 / 191 /
Superior Balcony D2 / 102 /
Superior Balcony D1 / ? / ? / 89 /
--------------------------------------------------------
Junior Suite JS / 56 / ? / 22 /
Grand Suite GS / ? / ? / 22 /
Royal Family Suite FS / / / ? / ? / ? / ? / 4 /
Owner Suite OS / ? / ? / 8 /

Total Cabins: 1753
Number of Cabins in Sold Out Categories: 1753
***** - marked as sold out previously, so only a few available at most

Actual official cabin count from 70K press sheet:
Total number of cabins = 1817
Ocean View: 1084 (842 with balconies) / Interior: 733 (172 with promenade view)
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by Evican » Fri Sep 22, 2017 4:02 pm

cowboy71 wrote:ALL. GONE.

Holy shitballs! :shock:

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I was *this* close to waiting to book until closer to cruise time because I didn't know what was going to happen with my dad's cancer diagnosis.

Now I'm really damn glad I decided not to wait.
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by Pamela » Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:28 pm

cowboy71 wrote:ALL. GONE.



You forgot the *Mic drop*

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by Ti7aNiC » Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:39 pm

So, what are your current speculations on how 70K is going to move forward, now that things sell out after just 1 day of being open to the public?

What's going to happen when 90%+ of bookings are survivors? Do Andy & company care as long as they make money? Will ticket prices just increase more drastically? Will they change the Gold & Silver requirements? Will they add a Platinum level? Will we move to the Anthem of the Seas (the name is quite fitting)? Will they start doing a Burning Man-like raffle for public sales?

:shots:

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by deathmetalpat » Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:21 pm

Next they should add a better reselling your cabin procedure though the booking process .This would ensure that people who are unable to go an easy way to sell their cabin,stop any fraud sales of cabins and price gouging by people buying a cabin then reselling it.
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Re: How fast will 2018 sell out?

by Fulorian » Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:46 pm

Ti7aNiC wrote:So, what are your current speculations on how 70K is going to move forward, now that things sell out after just 1 day of being open to the public?

What's going to happen when 90%+ of bookings are survivors? Do Andy & company care as long as they make money? Will ticket prices just increase more drastically? Will they change the Gold & Silver requirements? Will they add a Platinum level? Will we move to the Anthem of the Seas (the name is quite fitting)? Will they start doing a Burning Man-like raffle for public sales?

:shots:

Most importantly, what does Corey Taylor think? :lol:


My thinking is this:

Upgrade the cruise to a 225k ton vessel/Oasis of the Seas class
Up the ticket sales for 4,000 guests
Freeze the band list at 60 bands
Find a way to move 4 venues up to 5
Add 15 minutes to the set times for every set (45 minute sets to 60, 75 minute sets to 90)
Cut the sets off at 4 AM instead of 6 AM, so that nobody has to stay up until their brain wants to cry to see their favorite band
(All of the above should be possible with an increased number of venues - ~15% increased turnover time with the increased stages when factoring in 45-60 minute stage turnover post-set, which allows for a slightly earlier end time with longer sets and earlier end times)

This wouldn't dramatically increase expense for Andy (other than the fixed cost of the more expensive vessel, which probably could be easily offset by the higher guest count/alcohol & merch sales) and wouldn't increase the cost of bands significantly with the same number of bands, but would increase the ticketable revenue by 30%+.
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Re: How fast will 2018 sell out?

by bodomdragon » Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:15 am

Ti7aNiC wrote:So, what are your current speculations on how 70K is going to move forward, now that things sell out after just 1 day of being open to the public?

What's going to happen when 90%+ of bookings are survivors? Do Andy & company care as long as they make money? Will ticket prices just increase more drastically? Will they change the Gold & Silver requirements? Will they add a Platinum level? Will we move to the Anthem of the Seas (the name is quite fitting)? Will they start doing a Burning Man-like raffle for public sales?

:shots:

Most importantly, what does Corey Taylor think? :lol:

Bigger boat and/or higher pricing and/or and redefining what a gold and a silver survivor is (e.g. gold for 5 time cruisers and silver for 3 times cruisers).
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