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by General Zod » Tue Jul 11, 2017 5:12 am

What is everyone's thoughts on where we stand with respect to headliners. Do we have any or all of them yet? Based on Last.fm, last year's headliners in order of "listeners":

Anthrax: 834K
Arch Enemy: 622K
Kamelot: 421K
Gojira: 368K

This year's announced bands:

Sepultura: 852K
Sonata Arctica: 611K
Dark Tranquillity: 433K
Meshuggah: 413K
Cannibal Cirpse: 400K
Korpiklaani: 399K
Rhapsody: 331K
In Extremo: 269K
Primal Fear: 203K
Enslaved: 178K

Sepultura's 852K has to be taken with a grain of salt, as they're clearly not the same attraction without the Cavalera brothers.
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Re: Headliners?

by Downvod » Tue Jul 11, 2017 5:46 am

General Zod wrote:What is everyone's thoughts on where we stand with respect to headliners. Do we have any or all of them yet? Based on Last.fm, last year's headliners in order of "listeners":

Anthrax: 834K
Arch Enemy: 622K
Kamelot: 421K
Gojira: 368K

This year's announced bands:

Sepultura: 852K
Sonata Arctica: 611K
Dark Tranquillity: 433K
Meshuggah: 413K
Cannibal Cirpse: 400K
Korpiklaani: 399K
Rhapsody: 331K
In Extremo: 269K
Primal Fear: 203K
Enslaved: 178K

Sepultura's 852K has to be taken with a grain of salt, as they're clearly not the same attraction without the Cavalera brothers.


It seems like the first announcement always gets a headline length set, so I have money on Meshuggah. Testament has 511k and did not get a headline slot, but maybe that's because they already had Anthrax.
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Re: Headliners?

by Mark » Tue Jul 11, 2017 5:47 am

In my honest opinion we don't have any real headlining material so far.

Sepultura was cool twenty years ago, but they aren't nearly as big as they used to be.
Same goes for Sonata Arctica although for different reasons.

The closest we have to a headliner might be Dark Tranquillity.
Rhapsody might also get headliner status just because :ugeek:
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by deathmetalpat » Tue Jul 11, 2017 5:56 am

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Arch Enemy: 622K
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by metalmaciejmetal » Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:37 am

Sepultura might be the most recognizable name if you surveyed a Metallica show but that doesn't necessarily mean they are over with the 70K crowd. They will be getting a decent slot though much like Testament last year.

My prediction would be Rhapsody just because of the significance of their first "farewell" tour. If I had to predict a second I would say Meshuggah.

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Re: Headliners?

by Godflesh » Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:15 pm

Downvod wrote:It seems like the first announcement always gets a headline length set

Yes, and it also looks like in the past 3 years all headliners were announced in the first 20.
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by Mark » Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:48 pm

Godflesh wrote:
Downvod wrote:It seems like the first announcement always gets a headline length set

Yes, and it also looks like in the past 3 years all headliners were announced in the first 20.


If memory serves right Venom were announced pretty late and still headlined in 2015.
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by MaidenNewJersey » Tue Jul 11, 2017 1:18 pm

General Zod wrote:What is everyone's thoughts on where we stand with respect to headliners. Do we have any or all of them yet? Based on Last.fm, last year's headliners in order of "listeners":

Anthrax: 834K
Arch Enemy: 622K
Kamelot: 421K
Gojira: 368K

This year's announced bands:

Sepultura: 852K
Sonata Arctica: 611K
Dark Tranquillity: 433K
Meshuggah: 413K
Cannibal Cirpse: 400K
Korpiklaani: 399K
Rhapsody: 331K
In Extremo: 269K
Primal Fear: 203K
Enslaved: 178K

Sepultura's 852K has to be taken with a grain of salt, as they're clearly not the same attraction without the Cavalera brothers.

you should use Spotify instead, since, you know, people use it and all. Last.fm :lol:
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Re: Headliners?

by Godflesh » Tue Jul 11, 2017 2:25 pm

Mark wrote:
Godflesh wrote:
Downvod wrote:It seems like the first announcement always gets a headline length set

Yes, and it also looks like in the past 3 years all headliners were announced in the first 20.


If memory serves right Venom were announced pretty late and still headlined in 2015.

Good memory, they were about 34th.
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by mooyagi » Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:25 pm

Sepultura had a 1 hour set on Barge to Hell though I remember at least the pool deck show was packed. They seemed to be huge with the ship's crew. Will have to see how the rest of the lineup shakes out but for now I'd say Sepultura and Meshuggah.
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by Godflesh » Sun Jul 23, 2017 5:28 pm

MaidenNewJersey wrote:
General Zod wrote:What is everyone's thoughts on where we stand with respect to headliners. Do we have any or all of them yet? Based on Last.fm, last year's headliners in order of "listeners":

Anthrax: 834K
Arch Enemy: 622K
Kamelot: 421K
Gojira: 368K

This year's announced bands:

Sepultura: 852K
Sonata Arctica: 611K
Dark Tranquillity: 433K
Meshuggah: 413K
Cannibal Cirpse: 400K
Korpiklaani: 399K
Rhapsody: 331K
In Extremo: 269K
Primal Fear: 203K
Enslaved: 178K

Sepultura's 852K has to be taken with a grain of salt, as they're clearly not the same attraction without the Cavalera brothers.

you should use Spotify instead, since, you know, people use it and all. Last.fm :lol:

I posted Spotify numbers a couple years back, and was told the exact reverse argument.

Here are some Spotify number for last year and this year:
Anthrax 608248
Gojira 552532
Arch Enemy 446806
Testament 415909
Kamelot 197894
Amorphis 171783
Therion 82540

Sepultura 544141
Sonata Arctica 306335
Meshuggah 260311
Dark Tranquility 249469
Cannibal Corpse 191864
Rhapsody 140996
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by acidbasement » Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:00 pm

I think we can safely add Sabaton to the list of headliners.
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by Shadow Son » Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:04 pm

acidbasement wrote:I think we can safely add Sabaton to the list of headliners.


That's what I'm thinking.

The last.fm listener count for Sabaton is: 369,189. Honestly surprised, I would have thought their number would be higher than that.
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Shadow Son wrote:
acidbasement wrote:I think we can safely add Sabaton to the list of headliners.


That's what I'm thinking.

The last.fm listener count for Sabaton is: 369,189. Honestly surprised, I would have thought their number would be higher than that.


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by Mark » Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:50 pm

They had 60 minutes back in 2013 but looking at listener numbers they are probably the biggest band so far.
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by Downvod » Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:52 pm

acidbasement wrote:I think we can safely add Sabaton to the list of headliners.


I would personally think that Meshuggah, Sabaton, and Kreator make sense. The first band announced has always been a headliner if I am not mistaken?
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Downvod wrote:
acidbasement wrote:I think we can safely add Sabaton to the list of headliners.


I would personally think that Meshuggah, Sabaton, and Kreator make sense. The first band announced has always been a headliner if I am not mistaken?

That is my understanding as well.

This would actually be a pretty good mix of genres for headliners too, if that's the case. Very few bands could get announced that would offset any of these three.
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by Shadow Son » Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:42 pm

My guess is Meshuggah, Sabaton and Sepultura. Sure, Sepultura is no where near as big as they used to be, but the same could be said for Anthrax, and they headlined this year.
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by Downvod » Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:51 pm

Shadow Son wrote:My guess is Meshuggah, Sabaton and Sepultura. Sure, Sepultura is no where near as big as they used to be, but the same could be said for Anthrax, and they headlined this year.


The major difference is that Anthrax has 4/5 of its original lineup and has had 2 reunion/comeback albums that have been very hyped and well received. If Sepultura did a reunion with the Cavalera's, it would absolutely be huge.. however, the fan base that cares about anything Sepultura has put out since 1996, or with this lineup, is pretty limited.

Also, they didn't get 75 minutes on the Barge to Hell, and that was all extreme underground bands on that lineup.
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Re: Headliners?

by Shadow Son » Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:02 pm

Downvod wrote:
Shadow Son wrote:My guess is Meshuggah, Sabaton and Sepultura. Sure, Sepultura is no where near as big as they used to be, but the same could be said for Anthrax, and they headlined this year.


The major difference is that Anthrax has 4/5 of its original lineup and has had 2 reunion/comeback albums that have been very hyped and well received. If Sepultura did a reunion with the Cavalera's, it would absolutely be huge.. however, the fan base that cares about anything Sepultura has put out since 1996, or with this lineup, is pretty limited.

Also, they didn't get 75 minutes on the Barge to Hell, and that was all extreme underground bands on that lineup.


Fair enough, that makes sense. Also, who were the headliners on Barge to Hell?
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Re: Headliners?

by Downvod » Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:09 pm

Shadow Son wrote:
Downvod wrote:
Shadow Son wrote:My guess is Meshuggah, Sabaton and Sepultura. Sure, Sepultura is no where near as big as they used to be, but the same could be said for Anthrax, and they headlined this year.


The major difference is that Anthrax has 4/5 of its original lineup and has had 2 reunion/comeback albums that have been very hyped and well received. If Sepultura did a reunion with the Cavalera's, it would absolutely be huge.. however, the fan base that cares about anything Sepultura has put out since 1996, or with this lineup, is pretty limited.

Also, they didn't get 75 minutes on the Barge to Hell, and that was all extreme underground bands on that lineup.


Fair enough, that makes sense. Also, who were the headliners on Barge to Hell?


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Re: Headliners?

by bernabeit » Mon Oct 09, 2017 6:21 pm

I reckon its definitely Meshuggah, Kreator and Sabaton and I don't really like Meshuggah and Sabaton, just think they are the biggest bands.
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