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    Re: How Fast Will 2020 Sell Out?

    by Cardest » Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:17 pm

    Since Devin T was announced, has this sold more cabins?

    We are only 14 bands in, 36 more to go!

    The more bands we get to see, the closer to selling out. Surely.
    So, no more delays.
    next batch of bands please Skip!
    Prrrrronto!


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    Re: How Fast Will 2020 Sell Out?

    by slayergeek » Sun Nov 03, 2019 6:28 am

    Cardest wrote:
    Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:17 pm
    Since Devin T was announced, has this sold more cabins?

    We are only 14 bands in, 36 more to go!

    The more bands we get to see, the closer to selling out. Surely.
    So, no more delays.
    next batch of bands please Skip!
    Prrrrronto!
    Oops

    14 bands, 46 more to go for a total of 60
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    Re: How Fast Will 2020 Sell Out?

    by Cardest » Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:28 am

    slayergeek wrote:
    Sun Nov 03, 2019 6:28 am
    Cardest wrote:
    Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:17 pm
    Since Devin T was announced, has this sold more cabins?

    We are only 14 bands in, 36 more to go!

    The more bands we get to see, the closer to selling out. Surely.
    So, no more delays.
    next batch of bands please Skip!
    Prrrrronto!
    Oops

    14 bands, 46 more to go for a total of 60
    ha ha
    big oops!
    or as Hugh Grant would say "whoopsy daisies".
    Yes, 46.
    And it's going so slow.


    Wish list: Grand Magus, ARCTURUS, Borknagar, SIGH, Vastum, ABSU, Temple of Void, Frozen Crown, Rippikoulu, King Diamond/Mercyful Fate, Bewitcher, Kawir, Vuur, Chthonic, Cemetery Urn, Tombs, Acid Witch, Slough Feg
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    Re: How Fast Will 2020 Sell Out?

    by cowboy71 » Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:44 pm

    *checks the cabin sales*

    *tumbleweeds roll through, crickets chirp*

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    Re: How Fast Will 2020 Sell Out?

    by cowboy71 » Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:37 am

    Bumping this over to the new page.

    I'm marking those Quad 1Ns as unsold-out now. I think there are currently 2 available.

    Type / Double / Triple / Quad / Quin/ SEX / Sept / Oct /
    Standard Interior 6V / 90 /
    Standard Interior 4V / 225 /
    Standard Interior 3V / ?? / 1 / 151 /
    Standard Interior 2V / 121 /
    Standard Interior 1V / ?? / ?? / 26 /
    Promenade View 2T / 168 /
    Spacious Interior 1R / -- / -- / ?? / ?? / 2 /
    Spacious Prome 1Q / -- / -- / ?? / ?? / 4 /
    --------------------------------------------------------
    Ocean View 8N / 47 / / /
    Ocean View 3N / ?? / ?? / 41 /
    Ocean View 2N / 69 /
    Ocean View 1N / ?? / ?? / 61** /
    Spacious Ocean 4M / 16 /
    Spacious Ocean 1M / ?? / ?? / 7 /
    Ultra Spacious 1K / -- / -- / ?? / ?? / 10 /
    Spacious Pano 1L / 6 / ?? / 33 /
    --------------------------------------------------------
    Standard Balcony 6D / 20 /
    Standard Balcony 5D / ?? / 22 /
    Standard Balcony 2D / 223 /
    Standard Balcony 1D / ?? / 64 / 7 /
    Spacious Balcony 4B / 237 /
    Spacious Balcony 3B / ?? / ?? / 74 /
    Spacious Balcony 2B / 64 /
    Spacious Balcony 1B / ?? / ?? / 14 /
    --------------------------------------------------------
    Pano Suite VP / -- / -- / ?? / ?? / 2 /
    Balcony Suite J4 / 56 /
    Balcony Suite J3 / ?? / ?? / 62 /
    Grand Suite GS / ?? / ?? / 24 /
    Grand Suite GT / -- / -- / ??? / ?? / ?? / ??? / 6 /
    Owner Suite OS / ?? / ?? / 6 /

    Total Cabins, by my count: 1961
    Total Cabins, according to cruisedeckplans website: 1918
    Total Cabins in sold out categories: 964
    **Category previous sold out. I believe there are currently 2 available.
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    Re: How Fast Will 2020 Sell Out?

    by metalforever » Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:58 am

    maybe there will be a push today for more cabins sold , last day that includes the payment plan.
    on the other hand could be some cancellations to offset any gains possibly , due to extremely HUGE cancellation fees after 11/7

    time will tell ?!
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    Re: How Fast Will 2020 Sell Out?

    by cowboy71 » Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:59 am

    Quad 1Ns are gone for now. No other changes.

    Type / Double / Triple / Quad / Quin/ SEX / Sept / Oct /
    Standard Interior 6V / 90 /
    Standard Interior 4V / 225 /
    Standard Interior 3V / ?? / 1 / 151 /
    Standard Interior 2V / 121 /
    Standard Interior 1V / ?? / ?? / 26 /
    Promenade View 2T / 168 /
    Spacious Interior 1R / -- / -- / ?? / ?? / 2 /
    Spacious Prome 1Q / -- / -- / ?? / ?? / 4 /
    --------------------------------------------------------
    Ocean View 8N / 47 / / /
    Ocean View 3N / ?? / ?? / 41 /
    Ocean View 2N / 69 /
    Ocean View 1N / ?? / ?? / 61 /
    Spacious Ocean 4M / 16 /
    Spacious Ocean 1M / ?? / ?? / 7 /
    Ultra Spacious 1K / -- / -- / ?? / ?? / 10 /
    Spacious Pano 1L / 6 / ?? / 33 /
    --------------------------------------------------------
    Standard Balcony 6D / 20 /
    Standard Balcony 5D / ?? / 22 /
    Standard Balcony 2D / 223 /
    Standard Balcony 1D / ?? / 64 / 7 /
    Spacious Balcony 4B / 237 /
    Spacious Balcony 3B / ?? / ?? / 74 /
    Spacious Balcony 2B / 64 /
    Spacious Balcony 1B / ?? / ?? / 14 /
    --------------------------------------------------------
    Pano Suite VP / -- / -- / ?? / ?? / 2 /
    Balcony Suite J4 / 56 /
    Balcony Suite J3 / ?? / ?? / 62 /
    Grand Suite GS / ?? / ?? / 24 /
    Grand Suite GT / -- / -- / ??? / ?? / ?? / ??? / 6 /
    Owner Suite OS / ?? / ?? / 6 /

    Total Cabins, by my count: 1961
    Total Cabins, according to cruisedeckplans website: 1918
    Total Cabins in sold out categories: 964
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    Re: How Fast Will 2020 Sell Out?

    by cowboy71 » Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:14 pm

    That darn 1N quad is back! :P
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    Re: How Fast Will 2020 Sell Out?

    by DudeBro » Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:56 pm

    cowboy71 wrote:
    Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:14 pm
    That darn 1N quad is back! :P
    If you're right and they've sold ~964 cabins they're almost sold out.
    Last year they had 3092 guests, the year before was 3087. I assume there's at least 2 people in each cabin (~2000/3000). If there's an average of 3 in each cabin they're pretty much done selling tickets. No wonder we don't see much movement.
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    Re: How Fast Will 2020 Sell Out?

    by cowboy71 » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:44 am

    DudeBro wrote:
    Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:56 pm
    cowboy71 wrote:
    Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:14 pm
    That darn 1N quad is back! :P
    If you're right and they've sold ~964 cabins they're almost sold out.
    Last year they had 3092 guests, the year before was 3087. I assume there's at least 2 people in each cabin (~2000/3000). If there's an average of 3 in each cabin they're pretty much done selling tickets. No wonder we don't see much movement.
    Yes but the TOTAL PERSONS ON BOARD this year was 5,509 including bands, their crew and ship crew.

    And while I don't think ships crew cabins are included in the cabin count, the cabins for musicians would be.

    So you would be talking about this year 4,128 being the figure in question. So I would ballpark figure say the ship is around 60-70% full at present.
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    Re: How Fast Will 2020 Sell Out?

    by Cardest » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:04 am

    cowboy71 wrote:
    Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:44 am
    DudeBro wrote:
    Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:56 pm
    cowboy71 wrote:
    Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:14 pm
    That darn 1N quad is back! :P
    If you're right and they've sold ~964 cabins they're almost sold out.
    Last year they had 3092 guests, the year before was 3087. I assume there's at least 2 people in each cabin (~2000/3000). If there's an average of 3 in each cabin they're pretty much done selling tickets. No wonder we don't see much movement.
    Yes but the TOTAL PERSONS ON BOARD this year was 5,509 including bands, their crew and ship crew.

    And while I don't think ships crew cabins are included in the cabin count, the cabins for musicians would be.

    So you would be talking about this year 4,128 being the figure in question. So I would ballpark figure say the ship is around 60-70% full at present.
    AH!
    I came over here to have a sticky beak, curious to see how much cabins are moving, since the Devin announcement.
    We're 20 bands in so far, 40 to go. If we're still only 60-70% sold so far, is this the quickest, slowest sales so far at this stage?
    What band(s) could bring more sailors, I wonder?!
    K - King Diamond, I am sure would snap up the remaining cabins.


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    Re: How Fast Will 2020 Sell Out?

    by cowboy71 » Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:33 am

    So hard to compare given how late sales started this year.

    But if we compare to last year when sales started pretty late too, this year is slower. Much slower.
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    Re: How Fast Will 2020 Sell Out?

    by cholernik » Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:09 am

    Cardest wrote:
    Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:04 am
    cowboy71 wrote:
    Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:44 am
    DudeBro wrote:
    Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:56 pm


    If you're right and they've sold ~964 cabins they're almost sold out.
    Last year they had 3092 guests, the year before was 3087. I assume there's at least 2 people in each cabin (~2000/3000). If there's an average of 3 in each cabin they're pretty much done selling tickets. No wonder we don't see much movement.
    Yes but the TOTAL PERSONS ON BOARD this year was 5,509 including bands, their crew and ship crew.

    And while I don't think ships crew cabins are included in the cabin count, the cabins for musicians would be.

    So you would be talking about this year 4,128 being the figure in question. So I would ballpark figure say the ship is around 60-70% full at present.
    AH!
    I came over here to have a sticky beak, curious to see how much cabins are moving, since the Devin announcement.
    We're 20 bands in so far, 40 to go. If we're still only 60-70% sold so far, is this the quickest, slowest sales so far at this stage?
    What band(s) could bring more sailors, I wonder?!
    K - King Diamond, I am sure would snap up the remaining cabins.
    I haven't been paying attention to sales in previous years, but I'm thinking this is slow and the slow band announcements aren't helping. King Diamond would be huge, I'm not expecting it, but I'd love that. I'm thinking it'll be something like Kreator.
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    Re: How Fast Will 2020 Sell Out?

    by cowboy71 » Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:04 pm

    Quad 1Ns back again. there are only 1 or 2 left
    Spacious Balcony 3B Quads back - there are only 1 or 2 left.
    Spacious Balcony 4B gone - there were 237 of them.

    Type / Double / Triple / Quad / Quin/ SEX / Sept / Oct /
    Standard Interior 6V / 90 /
    Standard Interior 4V / 225 /
    Standard Interior 3V / ?? / 1 / 151 /
    Standard Interior 2V / 121 /
    Standard Interior 1V / ?? / ?? / 26 /
    Promenade View 2T / 168 /
    Spacious Interior 1R / -- / -- / ?? / ?? / 2 /
    Spacious Prome 1Q / -- / -- / ?? / ?? / 4 /
    --------------------------------------------------------
    Ocean View 8N / 47 / / /
    Ocean View 3N / ?? / ?? / 41 /
    Ocean View 2N / 69 /
    Ocean View 1N / ?? / ?? / 61** /
    Spacious Ocean 4M / 16 /
    Spacious Ocean 1M / ?? / ?? / 7 /
    Ultra Spacious 1K / -- / -- / ?? / ?? / 10 /
    Spacious Pano 1L / 6 / ?? / 33 /
    --------------------------------------------------------
    Standard Balcony 6D / 20 /
    Standard Balcony 5D / ?? / 22 /
    Standard Balcony 2D / 223 /
    Standard Balcony 1D / ?? / 64 / 7 /
    Spacious Balcony 4B / 237 /
    Spacious Balcony 3B / ?? / ?? / 74** /
    Spacious Balcony 2B / 64 /
    Spacious Balcony 1B / ?? / ?? / 14 /
    --------------------------------------------------------
    Pano Suite VP / -- / -- / ?? / ?? / 2 /
    Balcony Suite J4 / 56 /
    Balcony Suite J3 / ?? / ?? / 62 /
    Grand Suite GS / ?? / ?? / 24 /
    Grand Suite GT / -- / -- / ??? / ?? / ?? / ??? / 6 /
    Owner Suite OS / ?? / ?? / 6 /

    Total Cabins, by my count: 1961
    Total Cabins, according to cruisedeckplans website: 1918
    Total Cabins in sold out categories: 1203
    **Previously sold out. Only 1 or 2 left.
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    Re: How Fast Will 2020 Sell Out?

    by cowboy71 » Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:13 pm

    A quick comparison to previous cruises as people have asked about it:

    2018 - SOLD OUT. Sept 23rd 2017. (Public Sales opened Sept 21).
    2019 - SOLD OUT. Oct 29th 2018. (Public Sales opened Oct 3).
    2020 - ????. (Public Sales opened Oct 26).
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    Re: How Fast Will 2020 Sell Out?

    by Godflesh » Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:25 am

    Any update?
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    Re: How Fast Will 2020 Sell Out?

    by cowboy71 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:11 am

    Godflesh wrote:
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    Any update?
    Nothing worthy of updating the count :P

    The unknown (I'm guessing 1) 1L Triple and the unknown (I'm guessing 1) GT Quad have sold out since the last update but nothing else has changed.

    Not even those 2 relatively-cheap categories that only have 1 or 2 cabins left in them.
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    Re: How Fast Will 2020 Sell Out?

    by Godflesh » Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:18 am

    So we’re still around 63% of cabins sold out?
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    Re: How Fast Will 2020 Sell Out?

    by cowboy71 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:21 am

    Godflesh wrote:
    Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:18 am
    So we’re still around 63% of cabins sold out?
    Pure speculation - could be as few as 20 cabins left, or as many as 700.

    But my guess would be around 60-70% sold.
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    Re: How Fast Will 2020 Sell Out?

    by Godflesh » Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:10 am

    cowboy71 wrote:
    Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:21 am
    Godflesh wrote:
    Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:18 am
    So we’re still around 63% of cabins sold out?
    Pure speculation - could be as few as 20 cabins left, or as many as 700.

    But my guess would be around 60-70% sold.
    Now those are some **hard** stats.
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    But my guess would be around 60-70%"
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    Re: How Fast Will 2020 Sell Out?

    by cholernik » Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:05 am

    idk, maybe if they want to sell cabins they should announce some bands.
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    Re: How Fast Will 2020 Sell Out?

    by Pellaz » Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:49 pm

    cholernik wrote:
    Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:05 am
    idk, maybe if they want to sell cabins they should announce some bands.
    Oh, Andy's announcing bands....but at this stage, well into public sales and with no chance of people using a payment plan through UMC, he is going to have to bust out some drop-dead amazing names to get people to book. I'm talking Blind Guardian-level bands, or higher.

    As Glenn Harveston so aptly put it after PPUSA 2 didn't sell out (and he lost a ton of money) AND THEN Blind Guardian played at PPUSA 3 and sold it out, thus saving the festival: "Power metal bands put asses in seats." --Or people in staterooms.

    If we're only 70 or 80% sold, it's gonna take something like that.
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    Re: How Fast Will 2020 Sell Out?

    by mooyagi » Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:00 pm

    cowboy71 wrote:
    Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:21 am
    But my guess would be around 60-70% sold.
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    Re: How Fast Will 2020 Sell Out?

    by cowboy71 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:19 pm

    Pellaz wrote:
    Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:49 pm
    "Power metal bands put asses in seats." --Or people in staterooms.

    If we're only 70 or 80% sold, it's gonna take something like that.
    Currently according to the 70K app stats the top 10 bands are:
    Wintersun (Melodeath / Folk)
    Emperor (Symphonic Black)
    Devin Townsend (Prog)
    Finntroll (Folk)
    At The Gates (Melodeath)
    Omnium Gatherum (Melodeath)
    Moonsorrow (Folk)
    Ihshan (Prog)
    Candlemass (Doom)
    Aether Realm (Melodeath)

    So you could say that Melodeath and Folk are what is putting people in staterooms at the moment.

    BUT, that could be also attributed to the fact that there isn't any HUGE names in Power (Axxis and Bloodbound while awesome, are hardly Blind Guardian/Iced Earth level names).
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    Re: How Fast Will 2020 Sell Out?

    by Pellaz » Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:26 pm

    cowboy71 wrote:
    Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:19 pm
    Pellaz wrote:
    Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:49 pm
    "Power metal bands put asses in seats." --Or people in staterooms.

    If we're only 70 or 80% sold, it's gonna take something like that.
    [….]
    So you could say that Melodeath and Folk are what is putting people in staterooms at the moment.
    Or not putting people onbroad, if in fact we're only 70% sold out.
    BUT, that could be also attributed to the fact that there isn't any HUGE names in Power (Axxis and Bloodbound while awesome, are hardly Blind Guardian/Iced Earth level names).
    --Exactly.

    I like power metal fine (except for the really cheesy stuff) but my true allegiances are to melodeath, folk, death, black etc. So, the lineup is fine from my perspective.... However, it's pretty clear we need a really big marquee name or two from the power metal realm -- and also from thrash -- to put 70K over the top...and we haven't seen one yet.
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    Re: How Fast Will 2020 Sell Out?

    by cowboy71 » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:34 pm

    VERY minor update.

    1L Triple gone.
    J4 Gone.
    J3 Double back.
    GT Quad gone.

    Type / Double / Triple / Quad / Quin/ SEX / Sept / Oct /
    Standard Interior 6V / 90 /
    Standard Interior 4V / 225 /
    Standard Interior 3V / ?? / 1 / 151 /
    Standard Interior 2V / 121 /
    Standard Interior 1V / ?? / ?? / 26 /
    Promenade View 2T / 168 /
    Spacious Interior 1R / -- / -- / ?? / ?? / 2 /
    Spacious Prome 1Q / -- / -- / ?? / ?? / 4 /
    --------------------------------------------------------
    Ocean View 8N / 47 / / /
    Ocean View 3N / ?? / ?? / 41 /
    Ocean View 2N / 69 /
    Ocean View 1N / ?? / ?? / 61** /
    Spacious Ocean 4M / 16 /
    Spacious Ocean 1M / ?? / ?? / 7 /
    Ultra Spacious 1K / -- / -- / ?? / ?? / 10 /
    Spacious Pano 1L / 6 / ?? / 33 /
    --------------------------------------------------------
    Standard Balcony 6D / 20 /
    Standard Balcony 5D / ?? / 22 /
    Standard Balcony 2D / 223 /
    Standard Balcony 1D / ?? / 64 / 7 /
    Spacious Balcony 4B / 237 /
    Spacious Balcony 3B / ?? / ?? / 74** /
    Spacious Balcony 2B / 64 /
    Spacious Balcony 1B / ?? / ?? / 14 /
    --------------------------------------------------------
    Pano Suite VP / -- / -- / ?? / ?? / 2 /
    Balcony Suite J4 / 56 /
    Balcony Suite J3 / ??** / ?? / 62 /
    Grand Suite GS / ?? / ?? / 24 /
    Grand Suite GT / -- / -- / ??? / ?? / ?? / ??? / 6 /
    Owner Suite OS / ?? / ?? / 6 /

    Total Cabins, by my count: 1961
    Total Cabins, according to cruisedeckplans website: 1918
    Total Cabins in sold out categories: 1259
    **Previously sold out. Only 1 or 2 left.

    Single Male still available
    Double - 4V, 2V, 2T, 2N, 2D, 4B, 2B
    Quad - 3N

    Single Female still available
    Double - 4V, 2T, 2N, 2D, 4B, 2B
    Quad - 3V, 1V, 3N
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    Re: How Fast Will 2020 Sell Out?

    by Godflesh » Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:09 pm

    cowboy71 wrote:
    Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:34 pm
    VERY minor update.

    1L Triple gone.
    J4 Gone.
    J3 Double back.
    GT Quad gone.

    Type / Double / Triple / Quad / Quin/ SEX / Sept / Oct /
    Standard Interior 6V / 90 /
    Standard Interior 4V / 225 /
    Standard Interior 3V / ?? / 1 / 151 /
    Standard Interior 2V / 121 /
    Standard Interior 1V / ?? / ?? / 26 /
    Promenade View 2T / 168 /
    Spacious Interior 1R / -- / -- / ?? / ?? / 2 /
    Spacious Prome 1Q / -- / -- / ?? / ?? / 4 /
    --------------------------------------------------------
    Ocean View 8N / 47 / / /
    Ocean View 3N / ?? / ?? / 41 /
    Ocean View 2N / 69 /
    Ocean View 1N / ?? / ?? / 61** /
    Spacious Ocean 4M / 16 /
    Spacious Ocean 1M / ?? / ?? / 7 /
    Ultra Spacious 1K / -- / -- / ?? / ?? / 10 /
    Spacious Pano 1L / 6 / ?? / 33 /
    --------------------------------------------------------
    Standard Balcony 6D / 20 /
    Standard Balcony 5D / ?? / 22 /
    Standard Balcony 2D / 223 /
    Standard Balcony 1D / ?? / 64 / 7 /
    Spacious Balcony 4B / 237 /
    Spacious Balcony 3B / ?? / ?? / 74** /
    Spacious Balcony 2B / 64 /
    Spacious Balcony 1B / ?? / ?? / 14 /
    --------------------------------------------------------
    Pano Suite VP / -- / -- / ?? / ?? / 2 /
    Balcony Suite J4 / 56 /
    Balcony Suite J3 / ??** / ?? / 62 /
    Grand Suite GS / ?? / ?? / 24 /
    Grand Suite GT / -- / -- / ??? / ?? / ?? / ??? / 6 /
    Owner Suite OS / ?? / ?? / 6 /

    Total Cabins, by my count: 1961
    Total Cabins, according to cruisedeckplans website: 1918
    Total Cabins in sold out categories: 1259
    **Previously sold out. Only 1 or 2 left.
    “J4 Gone.”
    THAT is a big deal. That’s my cabin.
    That means near sold out, AFAICT.
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    Re: How Fast Will 2020 Sell Out?

    by SavaRon » Sat Nov 16, 2019 2:38 pm

    Pellaz wrote:
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    cowboy71 wrote:
    Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:19 pm
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    "Power metal bands put asses in seats." --Or people in staterooms.

    If we're only 70 or 80% sold, it's gonna take something like that.
    [….]
    So you could say that Melodeath and Folk are what is putting people in staterooms at the moment.
    Or not putting people onbroad, if in fact we're only 70% sold out.
    BUT, that could be also attributed to the fact that there isn't any HUGE names in Power (Axxis and Bloodbound while awesome, are hardly Blind Guardian/Iced Earth level names).
    --Exactly.

    I like power metal fine (except for the really cheesy stuff) but my true allegiances are to melodeath, folk, death, black etc. So, the lineup is fine from my perspective.... However, it's pretty clear we need a really big marquee name or two from the power metal realm -- and also from thrash -- to put 70K over the top...and we haven't seen one yet.
    I don't think it matters this late in the game. Most people have booked that are going. Cabins will continue to sell at a very slow pace at this point no matter who is booked. It's just too late for most people to plan a trip. The late announcement certainly is hampering sales this year because the lineup is pretty good so far. I think there is a bit of cruise overload going on too. There's only so much money people have to do these things.

    Hopefully this doesn't affect future sailings, but does get 70000tons ass in gear when it comes to announcing everything.
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    Re: How Fast Will 2020 Sell Out?

    by cowboy71 » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:37 am

    SavaRon wrote:
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    I don't think it matters this late in the game. Most people have booked that are going. Cabins will continue to sell at a very slow pace at this point no matter who is booked. It's just too late for most people to plan a trip. The late announcement certainly is hampering sales this year because the lineup is pretty good so far. I think there is a bit of cruise overload going on too. There's only so much money people have to do these things.

    Hopefully this doesn't affect future sailings, but does get 70000tons ass in gear when it comes to announcing everything.
    I agree. VERY FEW people could, at christmas time, pull out the several thousand dollars required for flights, accommodation, food, booze, and of course the cabin(!), no matter WHO gets announced.

    So I think after the last 2 genuine, months in advance, sell outs of 2019 and 2018, we will be back to the 'sold out sign going up 3 days before sailing because they can't sell any more tickets, not because its actually sold out'.
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    Re: How Fast Will 2020 Sell Out?

    by slayergeek » Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:38 am

    I also think they are going to ensure that this late start shit doesn’t happen again.

    If it was just the cruisers bitching, they could live with that easily enough, but now it’s looking that this is going to result in the bottom line being effected.

    As long as this cruise does well enough to warrant a round 11, hopefully this will wind up being ‘lesson learned’ and nothing more serious.

    And the Miami super move up didn’t help either, but that move was forced on them.
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    Re: How Fast Will 2020 Sell Out?

    by metalforever » Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:48 am

    In 2021 the Superbowl remains in Florida , this time Tampa , could have possible ripple affects for cruise , even with further distance .
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    Re: How Fast Will 2020 Sell Out?

    by SavaRon » Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:05 pm

    metalforever wrote:
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    In 2021 the Superbowl remains in Florida , this time Tampa , could have possible ripple affects for cruise , even with further distance .
    Tampa is around 300 miles from Miami. If anything it it will pull some people away from Miami. I don't think it will be an issue at all next year.
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    by Pellaz » Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:22 am

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    I also think they are going to ensure that this late start shit doesn’t happen again.

    If it was just the cruisers bitching, they could live with that easily enough, but now it’s looking that this is going to result in the bottom line being effected.
    Yep. And that's worrisome.
    As long as this cruise does well enough to warrant a round 11, hopefully this will wind up being ‘lesson learned’ and nothing more serious.
    So much depends on how many cabins are actually sold, and the answer is impossible to know.
    Statsman guesstimates the cruise is about 70% sold out. Is that enough for a break-even, or a profit? Is it enough to convince Royal to continue? After all, Prog Nation at Sea AND Barge to Hell were dropped due to lack of sales, and contractually the cruise line had already been paid in full for the charter.
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    by cowboy71 » Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:13 am

    Using some completely random 'finger in the air' math.

    Adding up the total occupancy of the available categories (and allowing for the 2 of each in the previously-sold-out categories) you get a total of 1,579 tickets

    IF there was only 1 cabin left in all the available categories, and only 1 ticket left in the male/female:
    19 cabins - total occupancy 67, plus Total single male options 8, plus Total single female options 9 = 84 tickets

    So there would be AT THE VERY LEAST 84 tickets available, AT THE ABSOLUTE MOST 1,579

    2019 which was a sell out, had 3,092 guests.

    so if you took a wild stab and said there were possibly 800 tickets left, that would put it at about 74% sold.
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    Re: How Fast Will 2020 Sell Out?

    by Phoenix » Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:38 am

    slayergeek wrote:
    Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:38 am
    I also think they are going to ensure that this late start shit doesn’t happen again.
    After August 31announcements for 2019 and how late things kicked off this year, I actually don't believe that. I will when I see it.

    I HOPE so though. I hope that the 74-99% sold out range at this late juncture is enough to give UMC a kick in the pants - but I'm worried that it's enough newer cruisers this year that they don't care. So many Golds and Silvers bailed - it's too early in the morning to try that math, but if it's enough they might have made a comparable amount of money already.
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    Re: How Fast Will 2020 Sell Out?

    by Danny24601 » Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:31 am

    Converse data point: I have around 3-5 friends who are still on the fence about going. While they probably aren't going this year, they could be swayed by booking a few of the right bands (yes, that means power metal). Most people couldn't swing 70k last minute, but if you have the right mix of schedule flexibility and financial flexibility it isn't impossible.

    More practically, I doubt Andy has too many more cabin-filling bands lined up, for the simple reason that he needs those cabins sold more than anyone. It would be bizarre even by Andy standards for him to be sitting on a big announcement, unless the band really is taking a lot of time to confirm.
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    Re: How Fast Will 2020 Sell Out?

    by Downvod » Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:50 pm

    Pellaz wrote:
    Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:22 am
    slayergeek wrote:
    Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:38 am
    I also think they are going to ensure that this late start shit doesn’t happen again.

    If it was just the cruisers bitching, they could live with that easily enough, but now it’s looking that this is going to result in the bottom line being effected.
    Yep. And that's worrisome.
    As long as this cruise does well enough to warrant a round 11, hopefully this will wind up being ‘lesson learned’ and nothing more serious.
    So much depends on how many cabins are actually sold, and the answer is impossible to know.
    Statsman guesstimates the cruise is about 70% sold out. Is that enough for a break-even, or a profit? Is it enough to convince Royal to continue? After all, Prog Nation at Sea AND Barge to Hell were dropped due to lack of sales, and contractually the cruise line had already been paid in full for the charter.
    Isn't it more likely that further editions of those cruises were canceled by the promoter, after not receiving a big enough return on their investment? It is hard to imagine that the cruise line refused to charter the boat for those events again, if they were paid in full the first time.
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    Re: How Fast Will 2020 Sell Out?

    by Downvod » Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:03 pm

    Phoenix wrote:
    Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:38 am
    slayergeek wrote:
    Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:38 am
    I also think they are going to ensure that this late start shit doesn’t happen again.
    After August 31announcements for 2019 and how late things kicked off this year, I actually don't believe that. I will when I see it.

    I HOPE so though. I hope that the 74-99% sold out range at this late juncture is enough to give UMC a kick in the pants - but I'm worried that it's enough newer cruisers this year that they don't care. So many Golds and Silvers bailed - it's too early in the morning to try that math, but if it's enough they might have made a comparable amount of money already.
    Making an additional 10% on let's say... 25% of the cabins sold, isn't going to make up for 25% of the cabins being empty. Not even close. They didn't learn anything after last year because 2019 still sold out. If they lose money this year, it is hard to imagine that things wouldn't change.
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    Re: How Fast Will 2020 Sell Out?

    by SavaRon » Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:18 pm

    Downvod wrote:
    Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:03 pm
    Phoenix wrote:
    Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:38 am
    slayergeek wrote:
    Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:38 am
    I also think they are going to ensure that this late start shit doesn’t happen again.
    After August 31announcements for 2019 and how late things kicked off this year, I actually don't believe that. I will when I see it.

    I HOPE so though. I hope that the 74-99% sold out range at this late juncture is enough to give UMC a kick in the pants - but I'm worried that it's enough newer cruisers this year that they don't care. So many Golds and Silvers bailed - it's too early in the morning to try that math, but if it's enough they might have made a comparable amount of money already.
    Making an additional 10% on let's say... 25% of the cabins sold, isn't going to make up for 25% of the cabins being empty. Not even close. They didn't learn anything after last year because 2019 still sold out. If they lose money this year, it is hard to imagine that things wouldn't change.
    I'm guessing the profit margin for the cruise isn't great, so even losing 10% of the sales would be bad. That is hundreds of thousands of dollars in lost revenue. Up that to 25% and their take is probably close to a million less. Every sale counts big time for something like this.
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    by Pellaz » Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:15 pm

    Downvod wrote:
    Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:50 pm
    Pellaz wrote:
    Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:22 am
    So much depends on how many cabins are actually sold, and the answer is impossible to know.
    Statsman guesstimates the cruise is about 70% sold out. Is that enough for a break-even, or a profit? Is it enough to convince Royal to continue? After all, Prog Nation at Sea AND Barge to Hell were dropped due to lack of sales, and contractually the cruise line had already been paid in full for the charter.
    Isn't it more likely that further editions of those cruises were canceled by the promoter, after not receiving a big enough return on their investment? It is hard to imagine that the cruise line refused to charter the boat for those events again, if they were paid in full the first time.
    Either way, it's a lose-lose proposition. (I should clarify by adding the chartering company to the list, as PNAS was cancelled by Sixthman, not the cruise line per se.)
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    Ne.Obliviscaris--Nile--Nokturnal.Mortem--NorthTale--Novembers.Doom--Obscura--Old.Mans.Child--Opeth--Paladin--Poisonblack--Powerwolf--Primordial--Rapheumet's.Well--Raven--Rivers.Of.Nihil--Sabaton--Sadistic.Ritual--Samael--Satyricon--Savatage--Scale.the.Summit--Septic.Flesh--Serious.Black--Seven.Spires--Sigh--Skalmold--Slough.Feg--Starkill--Steorrah--SYL--Suidakra--Summoning--Tarot--Therion--Thy.Serpent--Tomarum--Tomb.Mold--Turisas--Twilight.Force--Tyr--Vale.Of.Pnath--Valhalore--Vesania--Vintersorg--Wolfheart--Yyrkoon
    2015: Survivor
    2016: Survivor
    2017: Survivor
    2018: Survivor
    2019: Survivor
    2020: Survivor
    2021: SoooOOOooooooon

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