[Memnoch]

BUT THAT SAUNA THO.

While I do think Jarisun's studio project is ridiculously overpriced, I really don't get the hate they get for the sauna. I mean, a sauna in Finland is pretty much the standard with a bathroom and only adds like 5-10k euros to the total costs. That's like saying a toilet is unnecessary and not needed in a building.

[bodomdragon]

BUT THAT SAUNA THO.

While I do think Jarisun's studio project is ridiculously overpriced, I really don't get the hate they get for the sauna. I mean, a sauna in Finland is pretty much the standard with a bathroom and only adds like 5-10k euros to the total costs. That's like saying a toilet is unnecessary and not needed in a building.

A sauna is certainly not as necessary as a toilet, but the hate doesn't come from the sauna, that's just a funny way to refer to their 750k€ studio. The hate comes from other reasons, such as being a HUGE drama queen, not delivering pretty much anything decent since 2004, and scamming people.

[General Zod]

In 2012 Nightwish toured USA after the cruise but in September.They started with 2 shows in Atlanta at the Center Stage.That venue has a little over 1,000 capacity and I am sure quite a few fans went to both shows.

It's also worth noting the typical correlation between venue size and the band fee doesn't always apply when it comes to ProgPower. The Wednesday/Thursday show at ProgPower is sold as a two-day pass and typically goes for around $175. Fan-band sponsorship is also part of the ProgPower financial model. So when they choose, ProgPower can afford to bring in a band who might typically might play bigger venues. The other aspect of this was it was part of a tour and the costs of travel and visas could be deferred over the duration of a tour. Not so for a one-off. Nightwish has little need to do one-offs anymore and their scheduling commitments don't typically allow for it anyway. Finally, I had the chance to do a fairly lengthy interview with John Finberg, Nightwish's booking agent for the states. Suffice it to say he only sees the band's fee as going up and up and up.

[Pellaz]

BUT THAT SAUNA THO.

While I do think Jarisun's studio project is ridiculously overpriced, I really don't get the hate they get for the sauna. I mean, a sauna in Finland is pretty much the standard with a bathroom and only adds like 5-10k euros to the total costs. That's like saying a toilet is unnecessary and not needed in a building.

I know, I was half-kidding. Finns have a 'thing' regarding saunas...very HOT ones.

[Tono_Fyr]

This will be a bummer for many... Wintersun are out. Touring Europe with Arch Enemy during the cruise.

The only answer, then, is Æther Realm.

[Jotunheimr]

...not delivering pretty much anything decent since 2004, and scamming people.

Hey now, let's not use the 's' word unless he pulls a Nachtmystium and refuses to deliver a product people paid for.

[Godflesh]

The Dillinger Escape Plan can be ruled out... forever: http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/the-dillinger-escape-plan-announces-final-show/

[Godflesh]

Nergal told a fan on FB that Behemoth was not on broad next year, but maybe 2019.
He could be trolling, but I think it's unlikely.

[Pellaz]

Nergal told a fan on FB that Behemoth was not on broad next year, but maybe 2019.
He could be trolling, but I think it's unlikely.

Well, damnit, if it's true.

[captaingabbeh]

As long as there's hope for Batushka I can live with Behemoth being ruled out.

Imperial Age is out as well as they are touring with Therion during the cruise. IDK if they were on anyone's wishlist though.

[captaingabbeh]

Moonspell and Cradle of Filth are officially both ruled out - touring Europe during the cruise

[acidbasement]

Moonspell and Cradle of Filth are officially both ruled out - touring Europe during the cruise

That can't be true. Razor Ramon said Moonspell were booked.
Seriously though, that sucks. They were so good in 2016.

[TPH]

Moonspell always deliver live, it's a shame they don't come to the 70000Tons.

EDIT : just checked, they're not coming to Ireland as well. Fuck.

[captaingabbeh]

Moonspell and Cradle of Filth are officially both ruled out - touring Europe during the cruise

That can't be true. Razor Ramon said Moonspell were booked.
Seriously though, that sucks. They were so good in 2016.

There's never any shortage of bad intel when it comes to 70k bookings :). But yeah, sucks that they're out.

[captaingabbeh]

Aaaand looks like Batushka can probably be ruled out. They've cancelled their appearance at Inferno, citing "unforseen personal events" and "new life". So probably babbies

[Razor Ramon]

Moonspell and Cradle of Filth are officially both ruled out - touring Europe during the cruise

That can't be true. Razor Ramon said Moonspell were booked.
Seriously though, that sucks. They were so good in 2016.

Fernando told me himself, not sure what happened...

[Pellaz]

Moonspell and Cradle of Filth are officially both ruled out - touring Europe during the cruise

That can't be true. Razor Ramon said Moonspell were booked.
Seriously though, that sucks. They were so good in 2016.

Fernando told me himself, not sure what happened...

Huh. Could be the tour ended up being more of a priority...and I could certainly see that.

[Speedy]

Anvil is touring Europe during the cruise.

[Evican]

EPICA - Spoke to Mark last year and he said that cruising once every 5 years for them is enough, so it's likely that they won't be back for another few years.

Epica are definitely out for 2018. Spoke to Isaac for quite some time before the show in Seattle and he said they are touring elsewhere at the time of the cruise.

[Evican]

Also... Probably Decapitated.

Stoked I got to see them before Spokane..

[Bolt_Thrower]

What bands can be ruled out? Apparently all of them except for the 21.

[DragonLordJones]

Fates Warning is out touring Europe - which means more or less Armored Saint as Joey Vera plays for Fates Warning

[bodomdragon]

Fates Warning is out touring Europe - which means more or less Armored Saint as Joey Vera plays for Fates Warning

According to the dates published on their website, their last show is on January 27th. So I'd say this is pretty much the other way around, rather than being ruled out this schedule makes them a perfect fit for the boat.

[DragonLordJones]

According to the dates published on their website, their last show is on January 27th. So I'd say this is pretty much the other way around, rather than being ruled out this schedule makes them a perfect fit for the boat.

I thought I saw a longer tour list that went into February - can't find it now ... sorry

[Sgt. B]

Machine Head has tour dates during the cruise.

[TPH]

They have a show on Monday in Orlando...might as well enjoy my trip to the US to the fullest!
I'll definitely check if I can make it.

[Speedy]

All bands playing Winter Days of Metal (31.01.-04.02.), so far:
Wyrd, Arkona , Asphyx, Milking the Goatmachine, Grailknights , Hour of Penance, Fleshless, Srd, Carnage Calligraphy, Novacrow, Infected Chaos and Immorgon

[bodomdragon]

All bands playing Winter Days of Metal (31.01.-04.02.), so far:
Wyrd, Arkona , Asphyx, Milking the Goatmachine, Grailknights , Hour of Penance, Fleshless, Srd, Carnage Calligraphy, Novacrow, Infected Chaos and Immorgon

Arkona ruled out feels almost as good as a wishlist announcement to me.

[Evican]

Ne Obliviscaris are out.

Apparently they were asked, but the timing doesn't work for them.

[Phoenix]

Ne Obliviscaris are out.

Apparently they were asked, but the timing doesn't work for them.

[Evican]

Not so bad through as they are touring North America and Canada before the cruise.

[Phoenix]

Not so bad through as they are touring North America and Canada before the cruise.

I know, I already have my ticket and I'm excited. Still though. I know they've wanted to play for a long time, and the forums are kind of in love with NeO.

[jdch28]

Ne Obliviscaris are out.

Apparently they were asked, but the timing doesn't work for them.

[Pellaz]

Ne Obliviscaris are out.

Apparently they were asked, but the timing doesn't work for them.

--BUT at least they were asked.

[Jotunheimr]

All bands playing Winter Days of Metal (31.01.-04.02.), so far:
Wyrd, Arkona :cry: , Asphyx, Milking the Goatmachine, Grailknights , Hour of Penance, Fleshless, Srd, Carnage Calligraphy, Novacrow, Infected Chaos and Immorgon

FUCK

[Memnoch]

Arkona ruled out feels almost as good as a wishlist announcement to me.

Damn me, stop posting from other people's accounts.

[FelipeS]

They have a show on Monday in Orlando...might as well enjoy my trip to the US to the fullest!
I'll definitely check if I can make it.

Exactly what i'm doing! Just got the pre-sale tix. I will drive up to Orlando the day we get off cruise and catch this Machine Head tour

[Bob]

Arkona ruled out feels almost as good as a wishlist announcement to me.

Damn me, stop posting from other people's accounts.

Haha!

Seen Masha (Maria Arkhipova) from Arkona. She will be missed (by me).

But there's a new and better witch in town.

[JoAnnamayhem]

Spoke to Carach Angren, they said unfortunately at the moment they know nothing about being on board or not. Just throwing this out there.

[bodomdragon]

I had a cool chat with urban breed from Serious Black. They were offered to join the boat in a previous edition, don't know which one, but the offer was not good enough and they had to decline. They haven't heard back from UMC so for the moment it is unlikely that they'll be onbroad. I hope this changes, though, they're amazing.