[cowboy71]

MAYHEM ruled out - touring Asia
GRIMA ruled out - touring Europe

[MuzakMaker]

Imperial Triumphant (a great idea for the boat), Cloak, and Couch Slvt ruled out. Touring East Coast US

Not that I think there were requests for them, but smaller NA bands have a habit of filling out the back half of the roster

[cowboy71]

Actually several requests for both Cloak and Imperial Triumphant, so worth adding to the list!

DEFINITELY RULED OUT
Accept - touring Europe
Alcatrazz - UK tour dates during cruise
Alestorm - European tour during cruise
Anthrax - touring
Apocalyptica - touring Europe with Epica
Atreyu - touring with BFMV
Bad Omens - playing germany 3rd Feb
Beast in Black - Have a Euro tour Jan/Feb 2023
Black Label Society - touring with Anthrax
Bloodywood - gig in Indian during cruise dates
Bullet For My Valentine - tourdates during the cruise
Cloak - touring
Corpus Christii - touring Latin America
Cyhra - gigs in Japan
Deathstars - touring Europe
Dimmu Borgir - only doing 1 show in 2023
Dragony - South American tour starting Feb 2nd
Dream Theater - gigs scheduled during cruise dates
DRI - gigs during the cruise
Dying Fetus - European tour during cruise dates
Eclipse - playing glamfest in Australia
Edu Falaschi - dates in Japan during cruise dates
Enslaved - playing Winter Metal Magic Federicia 2023
Epica - touring Europe with Apocalyptica
Exodus - touring with Anthrax
Fairyland - Death of core member
Fireforce - touring with Grave Digger
Firewind - Supporting Beast In Black
Frozen Soul - touring Europe with Dying Fetus
Gaerea - tour dates during cruise
Gamma Ray - Kai on tour with Helloween
Girlschool - touring with Alcatrazz
Gloryhammer - touring with Alestorm
Goatwhore - shows in Europe
Grim Reaper - lead singer has passed away
Grima - touring Europe
Halestorm - touring Australia
Hammerfall - touring with Helloween
Harakiri for the sky - touring Europe
Heaven Shall Burn - touring with Trivium
Helloween - touring with Hammerfall
Hulkoff - Supporting Sabaton
Hypocrisy - playing Winter Metal Magic Federicia 2023
Iced Earth - because, reasons
Imperial Triumphant - touring
Inglorious - going on hiatus
Jag Panzer - European tour late January
Jinjer - touring with BFMV
Karnivool - touring Europe
Katatonia - touring Europe
Kataklysm - touring
Leprous - playing germany 4th Feb
Life of Agony - Touring
Lorna Shore - shows in Europe
Madball - touring with Life of Agony
Malevolence - touring Europe
Manowar - tour dates during cruise
Mayhem - touring Asia
Metalachi - shows during cruise
Monstrosity - touring
Mystic Prophecy - touring with Grave Digger.
Northtale - date in Japan during cruise dates
Obituary - touring Europe
Origin - touring
Paul Di'Anno - tour dates during cruise
Prong - Touring with life of Agony
Revocation - shows in Europe
Rhapsody (Turilli/Leone version) - tour dates during the cruise
Rumahoy - touring with Alestorm
Sabaton - Sweden dates during cruise
Seven Spires - on tour with Twilight Force
Shadow of Intent - tour dates during the cruise
Shaman - the band has imploded
Silver Bullet - on tour with Twilight Force
Soilwork - touring
Solstafir - touring Europe
Soulfly - Touring
Suicidal Tendencies - Shiprocked cruise the week prior. No way are they doing back-to-back cruises
SUNN O))) - touring the US
Taake - Australian tour starting Feb 2nd
Tarja - on tour in UK
Temperance - touring UK with Tarja
The Iron Maidens - Supporting Accept
Therion - Dates during cruise
Tourniquet - death of the man who was the heart and soul of the band
Tristania - breaking up
Trivium - touring with Heaven Shall Burn
Twelve Foot Ninja - have gone on indefinite hiatus
Twilight Force - gig in Milan on Feb 4
Unisonic - Michael and Kai touring with Helloween
Vader - tour dates during cruise
We Came As Romans - touring US during the cruisedates
Wednesday 13 - playing glamfest in Australia
Wig Wam - Touring Australia at the time of the cruise
Wilderun - touring
Windrose - touring with Alestorm
Wormrot - dates scheduled in Europe during the cruise

UNLIKELY (core member touring elsewhere, doing a competing cruise, gigs elsewhere close to the cruise dates, etc)
Angra - no Fabio as touring with Rhapsody
Arkona - unlikely due to the current Ukraine situation
Bloodbath - no Katatonia => no Bloodbath
Burning Witches - on Monsters of Rock Cruise 2023
DAD - on Monsters of Rock Cruise 2023
Danzig - No Prong means no Danzig
Doro - on Monsters of Rock Cruise 2023
Fallen Sanctuary - no Temperance, no Fallen Sanctuary
First Fragment - no Unleash The Archers = no First Fragment most likely
Frog Leap - a member doing shiprocked cruise
Grave Digger - tour finished 28th of Jan. Would be a stretch to make it to 70k.
Kaledon - No Temperance, no Kaledon
Lamb of God - member doing Shiprocked cruise
Loudness - on Monsters of Rock Cruise 2023
Majestica - no Sabaton = no Majestica
Michael Schenker - on Monsters of Rock Cruise 2023
Nestor - on Monsters of Rock Cruise 2023
Orange Goblin - Europe dates on Jan 28
Queensryche - on Monsters of Rock Cruise 2023
Reckless Love - on Monsters of Rock Cruise 2023
Riot V - social media statements indicate they are not on
Rose Tattoo - on Monsters of Rock Cruise 2023
Saxon - on Monsters of Rock Cruise 2023
Secret Sphere - No Temperance, no Secret Sphere
Spirits of Fire - Fabio on tour with Rhapsody
Stryper - on Monsters of Rock Cruise 2023
Threshold - said 'no but maybe 2024' to a cruiser
Trick or Treat - No Twilight Force = No Trick or Treat
Virtual Symmetry - No Temperance, no Virtual Symmetry
Witchcraft - Europe dates Jan 28

[MuzakMaker]

First Fragment - no Unleash The Archers = no First Fragment most likely

Is this more because you think they wouldn't get the ask at all without the UTA crowd to fill up the First Fragment sets or moreso that it's likely they're being saved for when UTA says yes again so Andy can kill two birds with one stone?

[cowboy71]

First Fragment - no Unleash The Archers = no First Fragment most likely

Is this more because you think they wouldn't get the ask at all without the UTA crowd to fill up the First Fragment sets or moreso that it's likely they're being saved for when UTA says yes again so Andy can kill two birds with one stone?

More the 'two birds, one stone' theory :)

[cowboy71]

DRAGONY can be ruled out.

Mexican tour starting Feb 2nd.

[cowboy71]

VADER have shows scheduled during the cruise, so they are out.

[cowboy71]

INGLORIOUS have announced they are going on indefinite hiatus so they are out.

(not a huge one, but there have been a couple of requests for them, so felt it was worth calling out)

[toby]

INGLORIOUS have announced they are going on indefinite hiatus so they are out.

(not a huge one, but there have been a couple of requests for them, so felt it was worth calling out)

They're a fun band, but would seem out of place on 70K. They've been on MORC a couple times.

[cegr80]

Given the recent affairs, we can say Vektor and Uada are not welcome on the boat

[Pellaz]

Given the recent affairs, we can say Vektor and Uada are not welcome on the boat

UADA basically stated they were invited, then un-invited.

[caddee313]

Too bad about UADA. One solution top cancel culture is there are 60+ shows to attend on the cruise. Impossible to attend every show. If you are the type of person that takes definitive sides, biased or simply not a fan of the band, chose another option during than timeslot. There is basically 4 venues running with overlapping schedules.

[aleyeahed]

Given the recent affairs, we can say Vektor and Uada are not welcome on the boat

UADA basically stated they were invited, then un-invited.

They definitely were invited. Friend reached out to them directly and they responded that the rescindment was last month, they decided to announce yesterday to expose the irony, essentially rubbing 70K's nose in it. Which makes the Vektor signing, announcing and subsequent removal even more vexing, assuming they gleaned knowledge that Uada might stir controversy via the internets or some such.

[Wraith61636]

No matter what, and this is just my opinion, I can't help if it pisses off others, others voices may be louder than my own, I'm green to social media as it is, we have 70k again, I've missed every other, so despite whatever those do on those social media plarforms or the internet it doesn't matter, we're still here and gonna continue strong. It's whatever, we're gonna have the time of of our lives regardless, so let's all just move forward with the horns up. That's my opinion on it, if I'm wrong I can admit it, but we need not worry. All is well and I'll see you all soon.

[progsteph]

What is it with Uada? some article years ago? I really would love to see them on the boat!
Well, i dont know about all the things that happen now....
I guess if you research a lot you find a lot. Maybe a lot cruisers wouldnt be allowed on boat also?
Where do you start where does it end?
Remember those days, when black and death was heavily polarising and all black wearing people were devils servants? When you had to defend yourself for wearing a metal shirt? Because "all are criminals and satanists". Isnt it leading in the wrong direction a little bit...?

[Wraith61636]

I can agree with that. Does me wearing black at all times make me a bad person? Nein. But folks who doesn't know or doesn't care to try and understand use labels, they do, thats just what it is and wont change over night. No labels with me, doom, Satanist, whatever, it doesn't matter. Want to know, just ask. But it is what it is. I don't care, 70ks coming and I'm excited as hell. But if people are uncomfortable then it takes away from the ascetics and it takes away from those who have been there before and no one can knock that. Once again just my opinion and can wear it if I'm wrong.

[MuzakMaker]

I can agree with that. Does me wearing black at all times make me a bad person? Nein. But folks who doesn't know or doesn't care to try and understand use labels, they do, thats just what it is and wont change over night. No labels with me, doom, Satanist, whatever, it doesn't matter. Want to know, just ask. But it is what it is. I don't care, 70ks coming and I'm excited as hell. But if people are uncomfortable then it takes away from the ascetics and it takes away from those who have been there before and no one can knock that. Once again just my opinion and can wear it if I'm wrong.

One of the biggest issue with UADA is they could very easily combat the very likely false claims that they're Nazis (heck, they have a Jewish member). They never explicitly say "We are not Nazis, nor do we support them" but instead they use the same anti-hate statements that hate groups and their supporters use when ever they come under fire. Pair that with the fact that they both lambast NSBM bands as well as share the stage with them, a lot of us are left in the void of "I'm pretty sure they're not nazi, but they're not exactly convincing me"

With the short window between now and sailing, I don't blame Andy for not seeing a definitive answer and just going with the safe route.

I hope for the future that this means Andy is going to do some thorough vetting because almost every band gets a negative article written about themselves at some points. Sometimes it's valid, sometimes it's just a journalist who got pissy that the band declined an interview.

To loop back to the forum topic, I think we can rule out any band that has had a controversy (no matter how big or small) in the past few years. Not because they're necessarily deserving of being kicked, but because of how short of a window we're looking at.

[Wraith61636]

Right, I understand that fully, there's always going to be someone out there saying something, one way or the other on bands, but with it being how it is now no one is blamed for pulling any band, it's just not how it use to be in that sense. I appreciate you for responding on the subject. May we all just have a good time is what I think.

[Pellaz]

I can agree with that. Does me wearing black at all times make me a bad person? Nein. But folks who doesn't know or doesn't care to try and understand use labels, they do, thats just what it is and wont change over night. No labels with me, doom, Satanist, whatever, it doesn't matter. Want to know, just ask. But it is what it is. I don't care, 70ks coming and I'm excited as hell. But if people are uncomfortable then it takes away from the ascetics and it takes away from those who have been there before and no one can knock that. Once again just my opinion and can wear it if I'm wrong.

One of the biggest issue with UADA is they could very easily combat the very likely false claims that they're Nazis (heck, they have a Jewish member). They never explicitly say "We are not Nazis, nor do we support them" but instead they use the same anti-hate statements that hate groups and their supporters use when ever they come under fire. Pair that with the fact that they both lambast NSBM bands as well as share the stage with them, a lot of us are left in the void of "I'm pretty sure they're not nazi, but they're not exactly convincing me"

With the short window between now and sailing, I don't blame Andy for not seeing a definitive answer and just going with the safe route.

I hope for the future that this means Andy is going to do some thorough vetting because almost every band gets a negative article written about themselves at some points. Sometimes it's valid, sometimes it's just a journalist who got pissy that the band declined an interview.

To loop back to the forum topic, I think we can rule out any band that has had a controversy (no matter how big or small) in the past few years. Not because they're necessarily deserving of being kicked, but because of how short of a window we're looking at.

Then we can rule out Watain and Behemoth; both have had controversial articles posted about them on MetalSucks.

[Wraith61636]

That's a shame right there, but figures though. Alas

[slayergeek]

Annihilator I think can be safely eliminated from the cruise.

If John was going to be on board, he would be hosting the All-Star jam, not Alexander Krull

[toby]

INGLORIOUS have announced they are going on indefinite hiatus so they are out.

(not a huge one, but there have been a couple of requests for them, so felt it was worth calling out)

OK, so in the process of trying to figure out set counts for Rank Bank, I just realized that Nathan James sang for Uli Jon Roth on his Scorpions Revisited album. A Scorpions set with Nathan James would be a must see for me.

[cowboy71]

Taake's Australian tour is cancelled so I guess that they are not ruled out for the next sailing anymore.

But given WHY Taake's Australian tour is cancelled I'd guess they ARE still ruled out

[cegr80]

Taake's Australian tour is cancelled so I guess that they are not ruled out for the next sailing anymore.

But given WHY Taake's Australian tour is cancelled I'd guess they ARE still ruled out

That tour had Aklhys, so rule them out as well with all this BS going around

[Pellaz]

Taake's Australian tour is cancelled so I guess that they are not ruled out for the next sailing anymore.

But given WHY Taake's Australian tour is cancelled I'd guess they ARE still ruled out

Was there a good reason, or a bogus reason?

[cowboy71]

Taake's Australian tour is cancelled so I guess that they are not ruled out for the next sailing anymore.

But given WHY Taake's Australian tour is cancelled I'd guess they ARE still ruled out

Was there a good reason, or a bogus reason?

It's similar to the UADA situation. But I think there is slightly more validity to the claims with Taake.

https://themusic.com.au/news/norwegian- ... 4/06-01-23

[MuzakMaker]

Taake's Australian tour is cancelled so I guess that they are not ruled out for the next sailing anymore.

But given WHY Taake's Australian tour is cancelled I'd guess they ARE still ruled out

Was there a good reason, or a bogus reason?

It's similar to the UADA situation. But I think there is slightly more validity to the claims with Taake.

https://themusic.com.au/news/norwegian- ... 4/06-01-23

Their vocalist has a long history of using bigoted/racially charged/nazi statements, phrases, and imagery all under the guise of "art" and "evoking a response" which in my opinion are just cop outs for actually being scummy.

It's well within a promoter's purview to decide to not be associated with stuff like that.

Just like it's well within a promoter's purview to not work with artists who even carry the accusations of domestic violence nor artists who repeatedly share the stage with NSBM bands.

Actions speak louder than words and based on the actions of all 3 bands, I never want to see any of them on the bill of a festival I plan on attending.

[Mudslides]

Donnie Van Stavern said the cruise was amazing and wished everyone to have a blast this year in a 70K FB-group yesterday – so RIOT is probably not going to be on board this year.

[cowboy71]

SHAMAN have imploded so they are definitely out

[Pellaz]

SHAMAN have imploded so they are definitely out

Yeah, that was...odd.

Now we gotta find another band for ProgPower USA.

[Richo]

Shaman imploded because of brazillian politics. The drummer made some comments about the "Brazillian capitol" invasion.

[lampropelma]

Very important

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