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    2023 Set length speculation

    by cowboy71 » Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:13 pm

    HEADLINERS
    Dragonforce (possible) NOPE
    Kreator (definite) RIGHT - 75
    Nightwish (definite) VERY RIGHT - 90

    60 MINUTES
    Amorphis RIGHT
    Dark Tranquillity RIGHT
    Evergrey RIGHT
    Feuerschwanz RIGHT - good guess
    Insomnium RIGHT - good guess
    Kamelot RIGHT
    Keep of Kalessin - WRONG :( Just 45
    Korpiklaani - RIGHT
    The Crown (a guess) WRONG - bad guess :(
    Uli Jon Roth RIGHT
    Rotting Christ (maybe) WRONG
    Hypocrisy RIGHT

    45 MINUTES
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    Belphegor - WRONG getting 60
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    Re: 2023 Set length speculation

    by cowboy71 » Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:03 pm

    Bumping this thread. I'm a bit iffy on 45 mins for RC and Insomnium. They only got 45 mins on their previous cruises but this time around Insomnium are the 2nd most requested band behind Amon Amarth!
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    Re: 2023 Set length speculation

    by cowboy71 » Fri Nov 04, 2022 5:22 pm

    First band I've had to guess the set length!

    I'm gonna assume 45 minutes for Novembre.
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    Re: 2023 Set length speculation

    by DarkMacek » Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:18 pm

    Is Kamelot the only-ever demotion? They headlined 2017?

    What are the odds they're _not_ a headliner right now? It would be pretty soon to have announced all 3 I suppose...
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    Re: 2023 Set length speculation

    by Danny24601 » Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:25 pm

    DarkMacek wrote: Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:18 pm Is Kamelot the only-ever demotion? They headlined 2017?

    What are the odds they're _not_ a headliner right now? It would be pretty soon to have announced all 3 I suppose...
    Bands get shuffled occasionally, but I'd assume that in 2017 they were bumped up last minute to replace Gojira who dropped. They certainly didn't seem to have prepped 75 min of material.

    I'd give them 80% odds of not being a headliner RN.

    I do agree with stats that both RC and Insomnium really could deserve a promotion....
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    Re: 2023 Set length speculation

    by cowboy71 » Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:28 pm

    DarkMacek wrote: Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:18 pm Is Kamelot the only-ever demotion? They headlined 2017?

    What are the odds they're _not_ a headliner right now? It would be pretty soon to have announced all 3 I suppose...
    Yeah it will depend on what is to come, but while yes they did headline in 2017, they did not when they were last on in 2019.

    So I'm gonna say 60 minutes for now.
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    Re: 2023 Set length speculation

    by mooyagi » Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:23 pm

    Danny24601 wrote: Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:25 pm
    DarkMacek wrote: Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:18 pm Is Kamelot the only-ever demotion? They headlined 2017?

    What are the odds they're _not_ a headliner right now? It would be pretty soon to have announced all 3 I suppose...
    Bands get shuffled occasionally, but I'd assume that in 2017 they were bumped up last minute to replace Gojira who dropped. They certainly didn't seem to have prepped 75 min of material.

    I'd give them 80% odds of not being a headliner RN.

    I do agree with stats that both RC and Insomnium really could deserve a promotion....
    Gotta love the 15 minutes of band introductions and wankery on stage to fill the time.
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    Re: 2023 Set length speculation

    by MuzakMaker » Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:24 pm

    cowboy71 wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 5:22 pm First band I've had to guess the set length!

    I'm gonna assume 45 minutes for Novembre.
    For as excited as people seem to be for them, I'll be shocked if they don't play 45. First timers have to be significantly larger to skip the 45min slot
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    by Pellaz » Thu Nov 10, 2022 9:59 pm

    mooyagi wrote: Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:23 pm
    Danny24601 wrote: Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:25 pm
    DarkMacek wrote: Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:18 pm Is Kamelot the only-ever demotion? They headlined 2017?

    What are the odds they're _not_ a headliner right now? It would be pretty soon to have announced all 3 I suppose...
    Bands get shuffled occasionally, but I'd assume that in 2017 they were bumped up last minute to replace Gojira who dropped. They certainly didn't seem to have prepped 75 min of material.

    I'd give them 80% odds of not being a headliner RN.

    I do agree with stats that both RC and Insomnium really could deserve a promotion....
    Gotta love the 15 minutes of band introductions and wankery on stage to fill the time.
    Yep, and that was from a band that pulled off the best, tightest walk-on in the history of ProgPower USA. They played "The Might of Rome" from the Gladiator soundtrack, and at the point where the song crescendos, they segued right into "New Allegiance" and "Fourth Legacy." Brilliantly timed, short and sweeeet.
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    Re: 2023 Set length speculation

    by Mr.Kito » Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:53 am

    Considering announced bands so far, isn't Rotting Christ 60min tier?

    Don't know whats about to come, but so far, I would guess a 60min set for them
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    Re: 2023 Set length speculation

    by MuzakMaker » Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:26 am

    Mr.Kito wrote: Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:53 am Considering announced bands so far, isn't Rotting Christ 60min tier?

    Don't know whats about to come, but so far, I would guess a 60min set for them
    Aside from the fact that they're playing a 37 minute album in full for their sets. Sure, you pad the time a bit with some extra songs and talking but 60 minutes is just too much extra.

    Then again, Ihsahn just peaced out with 15 minutes left in his theater set in 2020 because he didn't prep a full 60 mins.
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    Re: 2023 Set length speculation

    by cowboy71 » Mon Nov 14, 2022 1:14 pm

    MuzakMaker wrote: Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:26 am
    Aside from the fact that they're playing a 37 minute album in full for their sets. Sure, you pad the time a bit with some extra songs and talking but 60 minutes is just too much extra.

    Then again, Ihsahn just peaced out with 15 minutes left in his theater set in 2020 because he didn't prep a full 60 mins.
    Reminds me of when Abinchova played in 2016. They didn't realise they had 45 minute sets - every festival they'd only ever get 30 minutes so they just assumed that's what they would get on 70K :P
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    Re: 2023 Set length speculation

    by bodomdragon » Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:38 am

    cowboy71 wrote: Mon Nov 14, 2022 1:14 pm
    MuzakMaker wrote: Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:26 am
    Aside from the fact that they're playing a 37 minute album in full for their sets. Sure, you pad the time a bit with some extra songs and talking but 60 minutes is just too much extra.

    Then again, Ihsahn just peaced out with 15 minutes left in his theater set in 2020 because he didn't prep a full 60 mins.
    Reminds me of when Abinchova played in 2016. They didn't realise they had 45 minute sets - every festival they'd only ever get 30 minutes so they just assumed that's what they would get on 70K :P
    Cowboy, sorry to bother you with this, but I recall you said you keep the running orders of previous editions. Would you be so kind to share them?
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    Re: 2023 Set length speculation

    by cowboy71 » Tue Nov 15, 2022 1:10 pm

    bodomdragon wrote: Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:38 am
    cowboy71 wrote: Mon Nov 14, 2022 1:14 pm
    MuzakMaker wrote: Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:26 am
    Aside from the fact that they're playing a 37 minute album in full for their sets. Sure, you pad the time a bit with some extra songs and talking but 60 minutes is just too much extra.

    Then again, Ihsahn just peaced out with 15 minutes left in his theater set in 2020 because he didn't prep a full 60 mins.
    Reminds me of when Abinchova played in 2016. They didn't realise they had 45 minute sets - every festival they'd only ever get 30 minutes so they just assumed that's what they would get on 70K :P
    Cowboy, sorry to bother you with this, but I recall you said you keep the running orders of previous editions. Would you be so kind to share them?
    Leave it with me! I did have them up on a personal site at one stage but I lost access to it. I still have them all on my laptop so I just need to find somewhere to share them :)
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    Re: 2023 Set length speculation

    by cowboy71 » Tue Nov 15, 2022 1:36 pm

    All running orders through the years:

    https://www.mediafire.com/folder/9qfa9k ... ing+Orders
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    Re: 2023 Set length speculation

    by bodomdragon » Tue Nov 15, 2022 2:33 pm

    cowboy71 wrote: Tue Nov 15, 2022 1:36 pm All running orders through the years:

    https://www.mediafire.com/folder/9qfa9k ... ing+Orders
    You rock!! Thanks!!!
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    Re: 2023 Set length speculation

    by cowboy71 » Tue Nov 15, 2022 2:43 pm

    bodomdragon wrote: Tue Nov 15, 2022 2:33 pm
    cowboy71 wrote: Tue Nov 15, 2022 1:36 pm All running orders through the years:

    https://www.mediafire.com/folder/9qfa9k ... ing+Orders
    You rock!! Thanks!!!
    No worries - make sure you download them locally, as that is just a free link so I think it will only stick around for 14 days or something :)
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    Re: 2023 Set length speculation

    by cowboy71 » Sat Dec 24, 2022 12:42 pm

    THE CROWN - 45 minutes or 60?

    For a change, no idea on this one!

    Thinking 45.....
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    Re: 2023 Set length speculation

    by Godflesh » Sat Dec 24, 2022 1:50 pm

    cowboy71 wrote: Sat Dec 24, 2022 12:42 pm THE CROWN - 45 minutes or 60?

    For a change, no idea on this one!

    Thinking 45.....
    16000 monthly Spotify listeners and they only played 46 shows in the last 20 years on setlist.fm?
    Hmm, tough call indeed.
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    Re: 2023 Set length speculation

    by MuzakMaker » Sat Dec 24, 2022 2:29 pm

    I'm going with this being one of the "how did they only get 45 where X got 60?" bands

    They've got the creds for 60 but the running order is determined by throwing darts and spinning dart board.
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    Re: 2023 Set length speculation

    by cowboy71 » Sun Dec 25, 2022 1:35 pm

    POSSIBLY 45 minutes for Keep?

    That's what they got in 2014, the only time they've been on previously.
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    Re: 2023 Set length speculation

    by MuzakMaker » Sun Dec 25, 2022 2:07 pm

    cowboy71 wrote: Sun Dec 25, 2022 1:35 pm POSSIBLY 45 minutes for Keep?

    That's what they got in 2014, the only time they've been on previously.
    I'm going with 60. Album release show + return from the semi-dead + decent demand + their albums are all nearly an hour = 45 minutes being too short
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    by cowboy71 » Sun Dec 25, 2022 2:13 pm

    Makes sense :) I'll bump them to 60.
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    Re: 2023 Set length speculation

    by Pellaz » Sun Dec 25, 2022 2:14 pm

    cowboy71 wrote: Sun Dec 25, 2022 1:35 pm POSSIBLY 45 minutes for Keep?

    That's what they got in 2014, the only time they've been on previously.
    Maybe 60 min. for the album premiere, and 45 for their "regular" set?

    Of course, that would only leave room for 4 or 5 "classic" songs. They tend to be a bit long-winded, although not quite Opethian that way. :D
    I'd love it if they had a longer regular set to play with, though. Many of my favorites clock in at 7-12 minutes. "Dragon Iconography" or (gasp) "Reptilian Majesty" would be amazing.
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    Re: 2023 Set length speculation

    by Godflesh » Sun Dec 25, 2022 6:17 pm

    DESTRUCTION always had 45mn, not 60.
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    by cowboy71 » Sun Dec 25, 2022 6:35 pm

    Right you are - put them back to 45.

    So at this stage we've got maybe two of the three 75 minute x 2 sets bands.
    Actually thinking that Keep of Kalessin could 'do a Moonsorrow' - they got 1 x 45 minute set and 1 x 75 minute set for their 'full album' show last cruise.
    And 2020 we had (by my quick count just now) 12 bands that got two 60 minute sets. So far we've MAYBE got 8 (Feuerschwanz maybe only gets 45, and as I say maybe Keep gets a 45 and a 75)
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    Re: 2023 Set length speculation

    by Danny24601 » Sun Dec 25, 2022 6:58 pm

    I'm guessing The Crown gets 60 with their legacy and rarity, unless the rest of the lineup is really good.
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    Re: 2023 Set length speculation

    by cowboy71 » Fri Jan 13, 2023 5:07 pm

    Unlikely there is going to be a 60 min band in the next group of 3. and given we usually have 3 75min bands and 12 60 min, we are NOT getting a headliner and 3 60 min worthy bands in the last ten - my tip is 2 x 60min bands at most.

    So this is how I see it playing out.

    75 min set x 2
    Kamelot
    Kreator
    Nightwish

    60 min set x 2
    Amorphis
    Evergrey
    Feuerschwanz (a guess)
    Insomnium (45mins previous years but, announced second this time, I reckon they get promoted)
    Keep of Kalessin
    Korpiklaani
    Rotting Christ (promoting to 60)
    The Crown (a guess)
    Uli Jon Roth
    **UNANNOUNCED BAND**
    **UNANNOUNCED BAND**

    And probably promote one more band to 60 from 45 but not sure who.
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    Re: 2023 Set length speculation

    by Godflesh » Sat Jan 14, 2023 1:18 am

    cowboy71 wrote: Fri Jan 13, 2023 5:07 pm Unlikely there is going to be a 60 min band in the next group of 3. and given we usually have 3 75min bands and 12 60 min, we are NOT getting a headliner and 3 60 min worthy bands in the last ten - my tip is 2 x 60min bands at most.

    So this is how I see it playing out.

    75 min set x 2
    Kamelot
    Kreator
    Nightwish

    60 min set x 2
    Amorphis
    Evergrey
    Feuerschwanz (a guess)
    Insomnium (45mins previous years but, announced second this time, I reckon they get promoted)
    Keep of Kalessin
    Korpiklaani
    Rotting Christ (promoting to 60)
    The Crown (a guess)
    Uli Jon Roth
    **UNANNOUNCED BAND**
    **UNANNOUNCED BAND**

    And probably promote one more band to 60 from 45 but not sure who.
    I’m afraid you are right, sadly.
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    Re: 2023 Set length speculation

    by Godflesh » Sat Jan 14, 2023 1:26 am

    First time we have a deficit in both 75mn and 60mn bands that late.
    All bets are off at this point.
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    Re: 2023 Set length speculation

    by mooyagi » Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:04 pm

    I'd assume DT would get one of the remaining 60 minute slots.
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    Re: 2023 Set length speculation

    by cowboy71 » Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:52 pm

    Yep agreed.

    So I reckon there will be more than likely be a 60 minute band for the final announcement.

    The rest of the bands up to then will either be all 45s with one currently listed as 45 mins getting 60, OR we may get another 60 minute band before the final announcement.
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    Re: 2023 Set length speculation

    by Godflesh » Fri Jan 20, 2023 10:34 pm

    Those 17 bands have >100K Spotify listeners, so potential for 45->60 promotions at the bottom.

    Nightwish
    Kreator
    Korpiklaani
    Feuerschwanz
    Elvenking
    Amorphis
    Dark Tranquillity
    Kamelot
    Insomnium
    Rotting Christ
    Sirenia
    Evergrey
    Visions Of Atlantis
    Amberian Dawn
    Iron Savior
    Freedom Call
    Belphegor
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    Re: 2023 Set length speculation

    by Godflesh » Sat Jan 21, 2023 12:08 am

    ELVENKING, ranking at #5, looks like a potential candidate.
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    Re: 2023 Set length speculation

    by cowboy71 » Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:08 am

    Godflesh wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 12:08 am ELVENKING, ranking at #5, looks like a potential candidate.
    VERY surprised that Elvenking has more monthly listeners that Kamelot and Dark Tranquillity!
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    Re: 2023 Set length speculation

    by Godflesh » Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:29 am

    cowboy71 wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:08 am
    Godflesh wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 12:08 am ELVENKING, ranking at #5, looks like a potential candidate.
    VERY surprised that Elvenking has more monthly listeners that Kamelot and Dark Tranquillity!
    Clearly the least predictable Set Length Speculation ever.
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    Re: 2023 Set length speculation

    by Danny24601 » Sun Jan 22, 2023 8:51 am

    cowboy71 wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:08 am
    Godflesh wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 12:08 am ELVENKING, ranking at #5, looks like a potential candidate.
    VERY surprised that Elvenking has more monthly listeners that Kamelot and Dark Tranquillity!
    I mentioned this in the cripper thread, but monthly listeners can be pretty erratic as it only counts anyone who played the start of one of your songs in the last 28 days. Thus, it's easily skewed by new releases or playlist placements, or the lack of either.

    ...not sure what's up with Kamelot though as they just dropped a new single.
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    Re: 2023 Set length speculation

    by slayergeek » Sun Jan 22, 2023 9:11 am

    Danny24601 wrote: Sun Jan 22, 2023 8:51 am
    cowboy71 wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:08 am
    Godflesh wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 12:08 am ELVENKING, ranking at #5, looks like a potential candidate.
    VERY surprised that Elvenking has more monthly listeners that Kamelot and Dark Tranquillity!
    I mentioned this in the cripper thread, but monthly listeners can be pretty erratic as it only counts anyone who played the start of one of your songs in the last 28 days. Thus, it's easily skewed by new releases or playlist placements, or the lack of either.

    ...not sure what's up with Kamelot though as they just dropped a new single.
    As far as real world voting by our audience via the app (sneak peak into Tuesdays stats)

    Dark Tranquility has shot to the top/most popular band with 81.91% of cruisers having them as Must. (Out of the 376 people who have ranked them so far)
    Kamelot is at #11 with 52.66% of cruisers having them as Must. (Out of the 676 people who ranked them)

    And Elvenking, they are currently at #23 with 45.24% of cruisers having them as Must. (Out of the 462 people who ranked them)
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    Re: 2023 Set length speculation

    by mooyagi » Sun Jan 22, 2023 10:13 am

    Danny24601 wrote: Sun Jan 22, 2023 8:51 am ...not sure what's up with Kamelot though as they just dropped a new single.
    That single is bad and they should feel bad.
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    Re: 2023 Set length speculation

    by cowboy71 » Sun Jan 22, 2023 4:17 pm

    cowboy71 wrote: Fri Jan 13, 2023 5:07 pm Unlikely there is going to be a 60 min band in the next group of 3. and given we usually have 3 75min bands and 12 60 min, we are NOT getting a headliner and 3 60 min worthy bands in the last ten - my tip is 2 x 60min bands at most.

    So this is how I see it playing out.

    75 min set x 2
    Kamelot
    Kreator
    Nightwish

    60 min set x 2
    Amorphis
    Evergrey
    Feuerschwanz (a guess)
    Insomnium (45mins previous years but, announced second this time, I reckon they get promoted)
    Keep of Kalessin
    Korpiklaani
    Rotting Christ (promoting to 60)
    The Crown (a guess)
    Uli Jon Roth
    **UNANNOUNCED BAND**
    **UNANNOUNCED BAND**

    And probably promote one more band to 60 from 45 but not sure who.
    NOT looking too bad. Since that post we've added Dark Tranquillity and Dragonforce which would both be guaranteed at least 60 minutes. Promote Rotting Christ to getting 60 minutes and one more final band worthy of 60 minutes will round it out nicely!
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